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thebutler · 04-08-2009, 02:28:47 AM

The big G does not strip the PR when a domain drops. I have several dozen domains around to back that up. Its not just theory but actually use.

Now IF the backlinks disappear than the PR will drop. Thats the fine art of finding domains that have very dated backlinks that likely will not disappear over time.

seojonrich · 20-01-2010, 04:23:39 PM

pr will almost certainly be stripped, links will remain, the inbound links will stay, there is no way all the inbound links could possibly be deleted.

retired_member12 · 20-01-2010, 04:30:57 PM

This prompts an interesting thought though, to maybe re-reg such a domain name, download (as much as is possible, if it's there) the old content via archive.org, and see what it brings.

seojonrich · 20-01-2010, 04:35:48 PM

yeah that’s not a bad idea actually, does that come with copyright issues i wonder

Edwin · 21-01-2010, 12:24:04 AM

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Originally Posted by seojonrich

yeah that’s not a bad idea actually, does that come with copyright issues i wonder

Of course! Copyright remains with the original author for something like 75 years. It doesn't matter if the material's still being displayed or not, copyright has to do with the right to the "copy" i.e. the right of authorship. Just like the author of an out-of-print book retains the copyright...

retired_member12 · 21-01-2010, 12:36:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Edwin

Of course! Copyright remains with the original author for something like 75 years. It doesn't matter if the material's still being displayed or not, copyright has to do with the right to the "copy" i.e. the right of authorship. Just like the author of an out-of-print book retains the copyright...

What if the author is in fact a dissolved company? Who's going to chase you up on that basis?

GreyWing · 21-01-2010, 12:44:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleTap

What if the author is in fact a dissolved company? Who's going to chase you up on that basis?

Technically it would be the creditors if liquidated or the crown if just disolved. Of course the chances of that happening is rare but I think Edwin is saying it could happen if they wanted to that badly.

retired_member12 · 21-01-2010, 01:11:56 AM

They're fair comments of course.

As a legal functioning entity, a company usually ceases to exist in any form once dissolved, but I am aware that companies have been reinstated for short durations, usually by order of the High Court, but this is where a past legal matter regarding actions against it's former Directors is required, or where funds have turned up/been produced to settle Inland Revenue or VAT debts against the company, or something of a similar significant nature. I imagine it's highly unlikely someone's going to use that mechanism for a bit of content copying.

Having said all that, I wouldn't suggest pretending to be the former registrant/company in those circumstances, because although 'passing off' couldn't be applied (because the company has ceased to exist), the more serious offence of 'deception' would probably kick in.

Edwin · 21-01-2010, 02:11:13 PM

Copyright is created the moment something is written, and survives for a period set down in law. 70 years, in fact.

The dissolution of the company, or indeed the death of the original author, doesn't change a thing, except that nobody will be around to give somebody else the license to re-use the material (so in fact copyright material written by a now-dissolved company is even more unusable than other copyright material since, at least theoretically, you could write to a still-existing company and get their permission to reproduce some of their material)

The type of material we're discussing is considered "literary" under copyright law (yes, even a quick blog post would count as "literary" - the categories are very broad)

See this factsheet for more info
P-01: UK Copyright Law fact sheet

It's also important to note that the act of creation/publication creates the copyright, you don't have to explicitly register it anywhere. So I have full copyright over this forum post, for example, except where I have explicitly ceded that copyright e.g. if there was something in the Terms and Conditions of the forum which stated all copyright passed to Acorn Domains or something (but even then it would STILL be copyright, it just wouldn't be copyrighted to ME!)

Edwin · 21-01-2010, 02:14:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleTap

What if the author is in fact a dissolved company? Who's going to chase you up on that basis?

The fact that somebody may not "chase you" for something does absolutely nothing to change the legality (or in this case, the illegality) of the proposed action.

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21-01-2010, 01:11:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
retired_member12 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,510 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (0% / 0)	They're fair comments of course. As a legal functioning entity, a company usually ceases to exist in any form once dissolved, but I am aware that companies have been reinstated for short durations, usually by order of the High Court, but this is where a past legal matter regarding actions against it's former Directors is required, or where funds have turned up/been produced to settle Inland Revenue or VAT debts against the company, or something of a similar significant nature. I imagine it's highly unlikely someone's going to use that mechanism for a bit of content copying. Having said all that, I wouldn't suggest pretending to be the former registrant/company in those circumstances, because although 'passing off' couldn't be applied (because the company has ceased to exist), the more serious offence of 'deception' would probably kick in.