Aiden Roberts

I am trying to get my head around this dropcatching malarchy, thought I had it figured then over the last few days a number of suspended domains have been renewed a day before they were due to drop?

How?

This isn't fair to drop catchers or inquisitive's like me, I have viewed the other threads about certain registrars who have caveats in their TC's but this just isn't a level playing field.

Rant over

Aiden

GreyWing

People may go through their lists two days in advance and then contact the owners with cash, the owner renews and sorts a deal or something out later.

Happens a lot, that could be one reason. Or two they just like peeing catchers off, that happens too

I like to do it sometimes to lol but in truth there are loads of reasons for it.

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Aiden Roberts

Thanks Greywing

I understand but I was under the impression that there comes a point where the registrant is too late and it has to drop. Based on what you are saying at any point up to the drop date the registrant can sell it, transfer it and it can then be renewed as part of the process; is that correct?

If it is then why don't cash rich name investors cherry pick all the good suspended names and make hard to refuse offers, therefore no good names will ever drop; or do they?

Secondly you say you stop them from dropping. How?

Just curious

Thanks
Aiden

GreyWing

You can stop them pretty easy, renew them through most registrar control panels. I use Nom's web domain manager as I'm a tag holder. Nom won't allow you to renew with them or they won't stop it from dropping on the day of drop but your registrar can stop it.

Contact details for web owners is one reason why names still get to dropping point, some people are hard to trace.

But yep some registrars allow renewal on day or drop, some don't but it can easily be done.

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wb

As above, but also the registrant often doesn't change after renewal so it's likely that once they have been reminded they decide they want to keep it after all.

Aiden Roberts

And here is my answer:


After a 60 day suspension period the domain name will be cancelled and will then be immediately available for re-registration by someone else. At any point during the suspension, your registrar can renew the domain name for you and the suspension will be lifted. We will send you one final reminder seven days before the domain name is cancelled (83 days after the expiry date).

So the registrar can renew right up to the drop date. In theory then only names no longer wanted will drop, not names that have been mistakenly overlooked?

Aiden Roberts

How do I find out which registrars will do this? Obviously I could ask them all but off the top off your head do you know who does. It seems to me that the drop system isn't what I thought it was rather it's simply unwanted names and hard to find registrants, I thought there was more to it than that.

namestrands

The goal posts are being shifted around a bit for sure. There are occasions where domains can go beyond the 60, a few TAGS in particular appear to be able to do this. I was just informed by another member that this can be down to auto-renew being enabled then domain is renewed but invoices dont get paid so the domain goes back to being suspended for an amount of time depending on the credit agreement they have with nominet.

The likely increase in renewed domains after suspension is that there are more and more domainers approaching the registrants direct and offering sums of money, they either accept or counteroffer either way it leads to a renewal.

I think to avoid this it may be worthwhile going the way of the TLDs and levy a higher fee to remove from Suspension.

While there is nothing wrong with opportunistic domainers approaching owners there are those who use questionable tactics in doing so for the purpose of bypassing the drop procedures.

There are even those who when a domain is back-ordered via there own drop catch system they actively seek out to purchase before dropping and retain it for themselves.

Unfortunately there will always be these kinds of people, its best to let them get on with it as karma has a way of fixing things.

Aiden Roberts

Wow! I am clearly still very naive but I suppose where there is money involved I shouldn't expect everything to be equal.

Thanks namestrands

GreyWing

Everything is equal, but you can't join a football match in the 85th minute and complain that the other players are warmer than you.

Catching isn't far off being finished anyway, 2 maybe three years and nothing worth anything will reach dropping point. As it is, the names dropping 2 years ago compared to now are world's apart, 2 years before that they were galaxies apart. I chose the analogy of the 85th minute of a football match for a reason... I wouldn't lose too much sleep over the state of the pitch with 5 minutes to og.

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