Stolen domain!

golddiggerguy · 20-09-2010, 03:53:26 PM

So Domain monster are the catchers and claim I booked a catch with them
Within 100th of a second as someone else on the same day, hour, etc which they say allowed this freak of technology to happen.

They claim yes they caught it for me but They then checked and found that someone else had booked 100th of a second before me and so. Took it into their power to transfer it to another account and change the Whois on the domain.

Below is the Whois from when I had it caught.

**Domain name:
******Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk

**Registrant:
******Media Blocks Ltd

**Registrant type:
******Unknown

**Registrant's address:
******11 Claytons Fold
******Gilberdyke
******East Ridng Of Yorkshire
******HU15 2QW
******United Kingdom

**Registrar:
******Mesh Digital Limited t/a Domainmonster.com [Tag = MONSTER]
******URL: http://www.domainmonster.com

**Relevant dates:
******Registered on: 16-Sep-2010
******Renewal date: *16-Sep-2012

**Registration status:
******Registration request being processed.

**Name servers:
******No name servers listed.

**WHOIS lookup made at 11:12:33 16-Sep-2010

davedevelopment · 20-09-2010, 04:01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddiggerguy

They claim yes they caught it for me but They then checked and found that someone else had booked 100th of a second before me and so. Took it into their power to transfer it to another account and change the Whois on the domain.

And hope you didn't notice?

fish · 20-09-2010, 04:01:44 PM

What's the next course of action for you?

Ashton · 20-09-2010, 04:02:05 PM

100th of a second? This all seems a bit too much of a coincidence. Hmm.

Edwin · 20-09-2010, 04:06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashton

100th of a second? This all seems a bit too much of a coincidence. Hmm.

Given that Domain Monster have hundreds of thousands of domains under management (millions?) and are spending widely on advertising (e.g. sponsors of the recent Meet Domainers show in Manchester) what conceivable reason could there be for them to DELIBERATELY cheat somebody out of ONE domain? That makes no commercial sense, whatever way you look at it...

If you flip enough coins, you'll eventually end up flipping 10 heads in a row. It's unlikely, but not impossible. Similarly, if enough people use DM's drop catching system often enough, an unlikely occurrence such as a near-simultaneous domain booking is surely possible?

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddiggerguy

So Domain monster are the catchers and claim I booked a catch with them
Within 100th of a second as someone else on the same day, hour, etc which they say allowed this freak of technology to happen.

NOTE: I can understand that you're annoyed, for sure, but I hope you can see why it's so unlikely that this is malicious rather than coincidential?

Ashton · 20-09-2010, 04:08:35 PM

I wasn't hinting it was malicious.

I believe that perhaps there is something wrong in the system which caused the requests to be sent at the same time.

Oh, btw: Flipping a coin on heads 10 times in a row is just as likely as any other combination.

monaghan · 20-09-2010, 04:17:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddiggerguy

They claim yes they caught it for me but They then checked and found that someone else had booked 100th of a second before me and so. Took it into their power to transfer it to another account and change the Whois on the domain.

If they accepted 2 bookings on the same name, then they should be offering compensation to the other party for the error, not making changes to the domain without the registrant's authority. Sounds very fishy to me.

davedevelopment · 20-09-2010, 04:17:28 PM

Reading the explanation, I didn't think it was malicious, but trying to cover it up without explanation is out of order. I've had a similar situation with another catcher, but it was dealt with a lot more appropriately, in that they got in touch with me and told me what had happened.

I'm still coding up a public catching panel (still not sure if I'm ever going to offer the service), and one of the things I've done is a ticketmaster style "you've got 5 minutes to book this domain", coupled with database transactions, should stop this happening. If I can do it, I'd have thought domain monster could.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashton

Oh, btw: Flipping a coin on heads 10 times in a row is just as likely as any other combination.

But there are a lot of combinations.

dlone · 20-09-2010, 04:18:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monaghan

If they accepted 2 bookings on the same name, then they should be offering compensation to the other party for the error, not making changes to the domain without the registrant's authority. Sounds very fishy to me.

Have to agree with that.

aZooZa · 20-09-2010, 04:21:27 PM

It was registered to Andy and Nominet confirmed has was the registrant. I had the whois snapshot above the instant it dropped. There is no plausible excuse. The odds of it being booked twice within 100th of a second are staggering. I'm not going to get involved in more 'catcher slagging' but this stinks. The person who now owns it missed it when it dropped last time.

View Poll Results: Which do you agree with?
I Should have been notified by DM about the this way before now	14	42.42%
It's life, these things happen - oh well, another domain another day	1	3.03%
I Should have suspected something fishy and started asking questions	0	0%
I legally should own the domain and turn the clock back to the 16th	14	42.42%
I don't have ANY right to the domain at all - move on	0	0%
This is a big issue and should be looked into a lot further	20	60.61%
Domain Monster can do what they want with domains it's in their T&C - TUFF!	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

20-09-2010, 03:53:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
golddiggerguy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hullywood Posts: 3,403 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 59)	So Domain monster are the catchers and claim I booked a catch with them Within 100th of a second as someone else on the same day, hour, etc which they say allowed this freak of technology to happen. They claim yes they caught it for me but They then checked and found that someone else had booked 100th of a second before me and so. Took it into their power to transfer it to another account and change the Whois on the domain. Below is the Whois from when I had it caught. Domain name: **Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk Registrant: ****Media Blocks Ltd Registrant type: ****Unknown Registrant's address: ****11 Claytons Fold **Gilberdyke **East Ridng Of Yorkshire **HU15 2QW **United Kingdom Registrar: ****Mesh Digital Limited t/a Domainmonster.com [Tag = MONSTER] **URL: http://www.domainmonster.com Relevant dates: ****Registered on: 16-Sep-2010 ***Renewal date: 16-Sep-2012 Registration status: **Registration request being processed. Name servers: ****No name servers listed. WHOIS lookup made at 11:12:33 16-Sep-2010 __________________ Body Confidence - - Humber.TV - - Hull Fair - Baby Products

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20-09-2010, 04:21:27 PM	#30 (permalink)
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