UK Reg/Fasthosts and 'DomCollect'!

monaghan · 21-06-2009, 10:14:32 PM

To change the nameservers to point the domain to a "Client suspended page" or to remove from the company nameservers (after all your contract has expired so you can't expect them to provide nameservers for free) or even detagging I can see as acceptable, but to modify nameservers to repoint to a site where someone other than the registrant can profit does not seem ethical.

Please publish the reply you get from Nominet

rob · 21-06-2009, 10:23:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dtm

Technically the domain 'expired' on the 4th June, But do they have a right to then change the nameservers on the 18th?

I dont know - as the registrant hasnt changed, but the services 'attached' have.

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Originally Posted by LeeOwen

I've never understood this, it's not their name, technically they shouldn't be able to do anything with it as they never bought it. When you park your car in a car park, you're not giving the attendent permission to give it a test drive and go out for the evening are you?

No, but if you agree to park it until 4th June at their premium space (say central london) would they be entitled to move it elsewhere (eg. cheaper land out of the city) after that period of time? I am guessing this would be after some form of contact to say 'hey, pay us another �x to keep it parked' etc

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Originally Posted by monaghan

To change the nameservers to point the domain to a "Client suspended page" or to remove from the company nameservers (after all your contract has expired so you can't expect them to provide nameservers for free) or even detagging I can see as acceptable, but to modify nameservers to repoint to a site where someone other than the registrant can profit does not seem ethical.

I agree - 'suspended services' etc pages are quite common. The nature of the page is one open to debate, on the one hand its a good business move as not only do they have massive clientbase so they can pre-taste traffic on loads of names, but then use their might to hoover up names others might not realise have traffic.

Then in the odd case they get to sell it back to people who forgot to renew

Its stuff like this that makes me think the industrial age of domains is coming to the previously cottage industry of .uk

Skinner · 30-06-2009, 09:51:29 PM

I just got this off snap names...

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DOMAIN NAME TOTAL VISITORS 35 Day REVENUE
theculturedtraveler.com 1467 $22.02
mitsuwachicago.net 804 $16.76
youcanbetteryourbody.com 35 $8.60
arcadeo.com 708 $7.54
dotoledo.com 539 $4.33
theedendestinysociety.com 11 $3.57
papaya-bbs.com 2724 $2.68
izillatoys.com 230 $2.38
angkortech.com 53 $2.09
tvdemente.tv 493 $2.05
fortuneinternationalrealty.com 265 $1.92
homeequityloanstexas.com 9 $1.91
tuition-management.com 10 $1.26
sanfordphotography.com 624 $1.20
trilliummarketing.net 150 $1.20
*Revenue is provided by Register.com and not warranted. The duration of this statistic is 35 days.

Makes you wonder how much revenue they generate from this tasting, theres maybe $100 over just over a dozen names. Certainly highlights which would be worth catching with the time delay just for revenue doesnt it ?

Alien · 20-10-2009, 09:08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien

I've noticed recently that when a domain registered via Fasthosts/UK Reg enters a suspended state, the nameservers change to:

ns1.domcollect.com
ns2.domcollect.com

Before it was Sedo parking NS (but DomCollect are in fact Sedo right?!).

Both DomCollect and UK Reg/Fasthosts appear to be in bed together?!

God, these guys are leeches!

All over domains instantly that aren't renewed with their NS, surely an unfair advantage to 'taste' them this way?

Edwin · 21-10-2009, 01:24:10 PM

This tasting is going on between different companies under the United Internet group umbrella. See United Internet AG - Marken for details of all their brands. So it's hardly an arms-length relationship.

invincible · 21-10-2009, 04:52:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monaghan

To change the nameservers to point the domain to a "Client suspended page" or to remove from the company nameservers (after all your contract has expired so you can't expect them to provide nameservers for free) or even detagging I can see as acceptable, but to modify nameservers to repoint to a site where someone other than the registrant can profit does not seem ethical.

Please publish the reply you get from Nominet

Is this occuring for domain names that are on the Registrar's tag(s) *and* name servers operated by the Registrar's, or is it occuring for all domain names that are on the Registrar's tag(s) regardless of which name servers the Registrant is using?

A Registrant enters into an agreement with the Registry through their agent (the Registrar). The contract is between the Registrant and the Registry. A Registrar should have the right to terminate name server and tag management services past the expiry date but I don't believe they have the right to harvest off your traffic.

Whois-Search · 26-10-2009, 02:07:45 PM

When the domain first expires and says "Renewal required" in the whois - is it possible to 'taste' the traffic for 30 days? But once the domain goes in to " This registration has been SUSPENDED" the nameservers stop working all together?

Example: rootx.co.uk no longer resolves.

devolution · 26-10-2009, 06:43:29 PM

The domain still works whilst in Renewal Required if it hasn't been suspended, so it is 'Reverse Domain Tasting' - something I pointed out at the start of the year..

At least someone should bring this up at the Member's conference...!

GreyWing · 26-10-2009, 06:46:13 PM

I think a high majority of members would say Domain tasting is not something that any of us wants to see in tyhe .uk market.

retired_member6 · 26-10-2009, 07:04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyWing

I think a high majority of members would say Domain tasting is not something that any of us wants to see in tyhe .uk market.

domainlore, domcollect, ukreg, sedo and directors on other tag holding companies show that despite the harsh words of the rules, the system is pretty open, makes the fuss of deleting and it being shut down and me taking a year out all the more petty by a sole executive on a power trip.

21-06-2009, 10:14:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
monaghan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,148 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 7)	To change the nameservers to point the domain to a "Client suspended page" or to remove from the company nameservers (after all your contract has expired so you can't expect them to provide nameservers for free) or even detagging I can see as acceptable, but to modify nameservers to repoint to a site where someone other than the registrant can profit does not seem ethical. Please publish the reply you get from Nominet __________________ Alex Monaghan - Drop Catch & Drop Lists - PM for details Online Accounting\|Pine Furniture\|Barbie

21-10-2009, 01:24:10 PM	#35 (permalink)
Edwin Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 4,163 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 46)	This tasting is going on between different companies under the United Internet group umbrella. See United Internet AG - Marken for details of all their brands. So it's hardly an arms-length relationship. __________________ Memorable Domains Ltd - Over 7,000 descriptive, generic .co.uk domains for sale Please note: All sale prices over a week old are automatically invalid. No exceptions. Thanks!

26-10-2009, 02:07:45 PM	#37 (permalink)
Whois-Search Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Swad.com Posts: 1,480 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 2)	When the domain first expires and says "Renewal required" in the whois - is it possible to 'taste' the traffic for 30 days? But once the domain goes in to " This registration has been SUSPENDED" the nameservers stop working all together? Example: rootx.co.uk no longer resolves. __________________ Andrew Bennett - www.whois-search.com Linkedin: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andrewgbennett

26-10-2009, 06:43:29 PM	#38 (permalink)
devolution Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 757 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 6)	The domain still works whilst in Renewal Required if it hasn't been suspended, so it is 'Reverse Domain Tasting' - something I pointed out at the start of the year.. At least someone should bring *this* up at the Member's conference...! __________________ Champange.co.uk \| Music.co.ltd.uk \| Domains.co.ltd.uk \| Search.co.ltd.uk eGPS.co.uk - cheap GPS! \| MobileConnection.co.uk - bargain phones & FREE LAPTOPS!!

26-10-2009, 06:46:13 PM	#39 (permalink)
GreyWing Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 3,176 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 18)	I think a high majority of members would say Domain tasting is not something that any of us wants to see in tyhe .uk market. __________________ Make cash from your website, any website, any sector... That.co.uk Find out more

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