woopwoop

That really stinks, What can you do? File a complaint at ICANN and nominet...
This should be very easy for them to trace down, the paper trail and emails are obvious...

I guess you can just make it difficult for a sale to ever go through again with the same name or you could try and do the same scam on them further down the line... it does stink.

If anyone ever pays me through paypal, I'd be tempted to treat it as a physical asset. So that the paypal protection applies. Just record it as a laptop sale through paypal or something.

Then the scam can't work can it - because paypal see it as a tangible good... if the buyer refuses to go ahead with your paypal invoice saying "computer parts" or something - then maybe that's a clue about the scam that they are doing.

These scammers need a beating.

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estator

Help me please! I got exact this scam!!
the member is Get+1

"hi guy
do you have yahoo or msn for live chat? i want to buy some of your domains with bulk price

thanks alot"

He claimed to be david cramp, his email address and paypal account is dave.cramp@ntlworld.com

After I transfered the domains to his name.com account: 185594-abc0771, he claimed the payment back with a dispute.

Never receive a word from him so far. Now my money is on hold and my domains are gone!

This stinks and paypal has to stand beside the good guy, not the other way around. I sent email pleading to both paypal and name.com

PLease advice me what to do? File report to ICANN can help?

Please help. Thank you.

FC Domains

Now I'm confused.
I read it that it's the buyer who has problems with intangible goods. So all you have to do is tell PayPal that it wasn't a physical item and he can't claim the money back.

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estator

I'm confused by this point too.
I'm also confused that people can't get their money or domains back as domainers have all neccessary documents.

Has anyone successful with a complaint at ICANN, as suggested by woopwoop, for all kind of complaints, not specifically this? I'm just don't know how efficient ICANN is?

Can IANA help?

woopwoop

I think that the description of the goods that are sold as stated through paypal is the key here.

If the it's described as tangible or intangible.

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Skinner

I stopped buying thru ebay coz of the scams and now stopped using paypal unless they are def legit because of this type of scam.

For example a seller who is active on dnforum (he is DNF Exclusive) and his posts and rep looked ok, so I agreed on the sale, asked them for payment details, the details finally came at 11:11am, payment was made at 12:05pm along with my godaddy details via paypal.

After a week or so I get an email telling me, I havent sent GD or push details and the name expires today and they can't push it (GD tell me bull, it can be transferred/pushed for a while after expirary but i'd need to renew it to keep it) and acusing me of not sending GD details. So I checked the paypal payment confirm less than an hour after invoice includes the details.

Anyway I forward a copy of my paypal statement that clearly includes my godaddy info, and new reg info, and they should push the name or refund and keep the name and they go silent.

Paypal then screw me as its not a tangiable item, and they block me from leaving appropriate feedback leaving this prick to rob/steal/cheat god knows how many other people, I'd expect more from someone who has 1200+ posts and paid sub to a forum.

I now always tick the box that says 'goods' when sending money thru paypal to ANYONE, and I am in the process of doing a charge back thru my bank against this member which means paypal can go fuck themselves as my bank will take it off them one way or another.

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woopwoop

Skinner I think that if you are sending money and you have intangible goods ticked then you are in better shape to get the money back.

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Skinner

The sale to the DNF user was intangiable its the last and only one I got hit with before I mark everything as a physical product. The bank will refund the money tangiable or not long as you can prove it. I once got ripped off by a hosting company, and I did a charge back then too, long as you have proof and have reasonable tried to sort it out a charge back can be painless thru your bank.

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dashu1

Plus if you do a chargeback through the bank they incur charges of I think £10 or $10 from paypal on top of the original sum.

I sell quite a lot of ebooks & regularly get people paying, recieving the ebook & then trying to immediately claim a refund. I just go to the paypal resolution center & type in "it is an ebook & is intangible goods" & thats the end of that - unless they do the charge back...

estator

Sounds great and easy. Thanks.