franka

Here is a heads up for an appraisal scam. Somebody e-mailed me that they were interested in one of my domains. I replied with a price, and here was his reply.



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Thank you for the response!

Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you have a
developed
site please send us traffic statistics. If you don't have a site it's
not a
problem. We are mostly interested in domain names without content.

We need an appraisal for domain priced in your range. In other words
we
need some kind of proof that your price is reasonable.

Our partners (webmasters and domain owners) always recommend us to
verify an
independent appraisal first. It would be fair for both of us.

Please note that we don't trust free or cheap appraisals. We were
burned
after accepting such appraisals in the past. So we cannot accept
appraisal
from each and every site.

Appraisal from www.Sedo.com is not acceptable because your name is
listed
with them and they are not independent in our case.

I asked about reputable appraisal companies in a well-known webmaster
forum

http://www.webmasterforum.com/showthread.php?t=53837
My nickname there is JMARTIN. Hope webmasters will recommend us
appraisal
companies with good reputation.

After we verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or
wire?

Looking forward to your reply.
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AllForDomain.com New Tactic

That is one person call John Martin said want to buy my domain. And John ask for appraisal of the domain. And I must get the certificate from AllForDomain.com.

This guy indirectly point me to get the appraisal certificate from AllForDomain.com

Ask you to register. For USD60

Please be careful when someone ask you only accept certificate from AllForDomain.com
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If you read the thread he linked to for an appraisal, all the posters have just registered, and only reply to that thread. The responses are carefully crafted to look non-biased, but really, they eliminate all choices but allfordomains.com. I found this thread which shines some light on allfordomains.com, and their business practices. Esentially, I think they are sending out fake offers, to get appraisals done, as mentioned in the above thread. The thread he originally referred me to has now been "fixed"
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hank you for the response!

Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you have a
developed
site please send us traffic statistics. If you don't have a site it's
not a
problem. We are mostly interested in domain names without content.

We need an appraisal for domain priced in your range. In other words
we
need some kind of proof that your price is reasonable.

Our partners (webmasters and domain owners) always recommend us to
verify an
independent appraisal first. It would be fair for both of us.

Please note that we don't trust free or cheap appraisals. We were
burned
after accepting such appraisals in the past. So we cannot accept
appraisal
from each and every site.

Appraisal from www.Sedo.com is not acceptable because your name is
listed
with them and they are not independent in our case.

I asked about reputable appraisal companies in a well-known webmaster
forum

http://www.webmasterforum.com/showthread.php?t=53837
My nickname there is JMARTIN. Hope webmasters will recommend us
appraisal
companies with good reputation.

After we verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or
wire?

Looking forward to your reply.
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chupa--- Incredible... I has recive the exactly same e-mail
I listed some domains for sale on afthernic and i was contacted from:
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Sarah Murray
Ph. D. President
TNT Software Consulting
Custom software development using MS Access, MS SQL, Delphi and Oracle.
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He/she contact me not via afthernic (of course) but via e-mail listed on whois for my selling domains.

I think the copy/past the whole message. hehehe...
He insist to use allfodomains.com for appraisal...

Dont' trust them!!!
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Hello,

I'm interested in your domain name listed for sale.

Can you drop me your desired price?

If I can afford it I'll reply.

By the way, did you receive offers from other buyers?

I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my
main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional
income.

Please keep our correspondence confidential.

Best regards,

Michael Calagna, Ph. D.
President
RTP Engineering
================================================== =================Hello,
I'm interested in your domain name listed for sale.
Can you drop me your desired price?
If I can afford it I'll reply.
By the way, did you receive offers from other buyers?
I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.
Please keep our correspondence confidential.

Best regards,

Dwight Cheney

Ph. D. President

TCR Engineering
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Original Message[EMAIL ONE]
From: "BO Software Systems" <fmoss@bonbon.net>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:38 AM

Hello,
I'm contacting you regarding your domain name for sale.
Did you get offers from other people?
I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an
offer.
Just email the desired price.
I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and
databases
in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is
not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.
I wish you and your family Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Best regards,
Frank Moss Ph.D.
President
BO Software Systems
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Original Message [EMAIL TWO]
From: "Moss" <fmoss@bonbon.net>
To:
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: ( sent 12/29/05)


5,000 USD. Ok.

Can you provide me with independent valuation (appraisal)? I need such
valuation for name priced in your range. I consider your name as an
investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a
profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's
very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain. Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals.
I will only accept appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.
To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/49057.htm
Juck check this posting.
If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.
How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?
Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Brian

A very long post!
Thanks for the warnings, I have had exactly the same correspondents in the past.

zogby

Told them to go to He!l, it really got my hopes up at first though.