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Old 03-10-2010, 06:58:40 AM     #1 (permalink)
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Are domainers creating a dotORGdotUK bubble?

Observing the very recent prices obtained for dotORGdotUK, I am just wondering whether domain traders/speculators are creating an artificial bubble in this particular field.

I maybe wrong, and please correct me if I am, but are not all the high prices obtained for dotORGdotUK (creditcards,homeinsurance,onlinecasino,games,toys ,blackjack) purely domainer to domainer?

These kind of prices, now £xx,xxx, seem artificially high compared to prices you could achieve with end users which rarely exceed low £x,xxx.

Can such prices be maintained with the average net user becoming more savvy as each year goes by with their increasing ability to spot an affiliate linking website?

Is this kind of variation apparent in dotCOdotUK? I'm relatively new to domaining so I'm not sure whether an equivilant dotCOdotUK bubble has come and gone.
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in one simple word. i own quite a few .org.uk as i saw potential long time ago and still do
however you can still see one word .org.uk available on this forum for xx range and even free to reg

equivalent .co.uk are x,xxx high, xx,xxx range
'if' possible to buy

there are opportunities everywhere. tbh i see .co.uk sales on here where i think people will struggle to ever get an enduser to pay that money, bu most domainers have a few domains where they are the enduser anyway, its what you do with it as they say

one example, and not just pitching one of my domains, ok i am

domains dot co uk is 'leasing' litigationcouk for £2.5k - £5k per month! or trying to

i have the org uk and is a good example of orguk being every bit as good as the couk IMHO and for far, far less

plus search engines may treat mine better and be better received on that extension by endusers , and legal world possibly

some of recent sales, obviously creditcards is one of the best ones, but not the best and will always attract high prices, these sort of keyword domains

i think the pricing has been out for far too long for orguk
i know a lot of companies who see value in say owning brandfurniture.co.uk and being able to buy up keyword appropriate other extensions as satellite sites to bolster main site
they'd need to rob a bank to do in .co.uk, 'if' they were available

you could argue the value of .org.uk is on its way to being appreciated a bit more, as i have said for years, many .co.uk and .com owners have priced themselves out wanting crazy money and will take their domains to their graves with them, when they are unneeded some time in future, if this happens. or just will never sell
plus many of the top .co.uk are never possible to own, owned by top domainers or huge brands, who simply will not sell

i am a huge fan of .co.uk and .com, and particularly com so don't misuderstand me

if i wanted to launch a product in uk and spend money on advertising and have all natural benefits it would be com or co.uk. fact
however there are exceptions to that rule anyway, like i'd consider law.org.uk or something and be happy to promote that

but lets say you owned the brand furniture domain i mentioned earlier as domainer or nondomainer and you had chance to buy furniture.org.uk for £3k or furniture.co.uk for £150 k just as a booster site, what you gonna do?
sure you can launch furniture.co.uk as a brand in own right, but how often will that happen to you?

.co.uk will continue to command huge prices for the very best, just that it's little brother is starting to get a small slice of action, and not without reason imho

nb: creditcards.org.uk wasn't sold to a domainer, was it? sold on sedo and is developed
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I'm not a org uk fan myself, I only own one and thats for my local area which I thought of setting up a community forum type site on.
I think their only value is their ranking ability. Your wont see large companies using that extension, and I think they are purely a domainer use, other than what they are supposed to be used for.
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I'm not a org uk fan myself, I only own one and thats for my local area which I thought of setting up a community forum type site on.
I think their only value is their ranking ability. Your wont see large companies using that extension, and I think they are purely a domainer use, other than what they are supposed to be used for.
No large corporations would not use them but they are good for small UK businesses and naturally non-corporate organisations. As Pred said, they are the most affordable alternative for a small business seeking a keyword domain name.

This variance between domainer & end user prices does seem high compared to dotCOdotUK but if creditcards is an end user then I guess I am wrong.
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They're probably of most value for pure web plays e.g. sites designed to produce CPA leads. Financial/insurance .org.uk domains fit the bill perfectly for that sort of thing.
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They're probably of most value for pure web plays e.g. sites designed to produce CPA leads. Financial/insurance .org.uk domains fit the bill perfectly for that sort of thing.
I think Edwin has hit the nail on the head. No large organisations are going to touch .org.uk because of the amount of offline advertising they do. And as .org.uk is still relatively unknown the UK public they would be wasting massive advertising budgets by leaking tons of traffic.
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I think Edwin has hit the nail on the head. No large organisations are going to touch .org.uk...
They certainly own them though, even use or re-direct them:

bbc.org.uk British Broadcasting Corporation - (own)
hmv.org.uk HMV (IP) Ltd - (redirect)
mtv.org.uk Viacom International Inc. – (own)
qvc.org.uk QVC Inc – (redirect)
tso.org.uk The Stationery Office Ltd – (use)
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None of those examples are generic words or phrases (yes, some are 3 letter acronyms, but they're not words). It's obvious that if your company is some TLA or made up name, why not scoop up the .org.uk to go with your main .co.uk?
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None of those examples are generic words or phrases ...
Do you mean like these ones?

camping.org.uk - British Holiday & Home Parks Association
gap.org.uk - GAP Year Travelling
lighting.org.uk - Display Lighting Ltd
pregnancy.org.uk - Care Confidential
wiggle.org.uk - Dance
cats.org.uk - The Cats Protection League
diabetes.org.uk - British Diabetic Association
earth.org.uk - ExNet Ltd
flowers.org.uk - Flowers & Plants Association
jewellery.org.uk - The British Jewellers' Association
laser.org.uk - UKLA
massage.org.uk - Academy of Natural Health
music.org.uk - Music Festival Information
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