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23-09-2009, 09:28:49 AM
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23-09-2009, 06:01:21 PM
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personally I would never in a million years build up a business around a leased domain - talk about being had by the balls....
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23-09-2009, 06:05:16 PM
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People build up businesses all the time based around leased buildings...
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23-09-2009, 06:14:16 PM
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it's a lot harder to boot someone out of a leased building, where as you can stop a domain resolving in less than 30 seconds.. p.s. i'd never set up biz in a leased building either..  Quote:
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23-09-2009, 07:28:11 PM
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Coincidently it can actually be simpler to sell and easier to raise funds against with a lease as lenders have some thing of Tangible value to sell on… Try and find freehold property/offices on industrial estates or in prime locations... Last edited by namealot; 23-09-2009 at 08:02:26 PM. | |
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24-09-2009, 12:36:33 AM
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quite easy really - anyone with half a brain would still be the legal owner of the domain being rented and be able to get to the domain via nom online, and change ips tag, nameservers etc.. as for breach of contact wheres that gunna get me long term when ive invested thousands of pounds and hours in developing a site and fall out with domain owner for whatever reason a year down the line.. Quote:
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24-09-2009, 02:55:29 AM
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I think perhaps a domain escrow service would help alleviate some people's concerns - a bit like Property Management firms...
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24-09-2009, 10:10:55 AM
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The issuing body for the tld, cctld would not care who the registar, registrant, nameserver, etc was if instructed by a court (17.6 T&C nominet)would do what they tell them… In English law the leaseholder system has been going for hundreds of years …. In the eyes of the law the "owner" during the life of the lease is the lease holder you would have to be a idiot to think you could just breach the terms without being sued the arse off …. You would not have a leg to stand on… You dont own the domain.... A registrant is the individual or organisation (e.g. limited company, partnership, sole trader etc) that registers a specific domain name. This individual or organisation holds the right to use that domain name for a specified period of time (two years for a domain name ending in .uk ). This person or organisation is the ‘legal entity’ bound by the terms and conditions of the domain name registration agreement with Nominet. Not exactly different to a lease....? Last edited by namealot; 24-09-2009 at 10:46:10 AM. | |
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24-09-2009, 12:55:39 PM
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yes, well done.. very boring - funnily enough I had actully noticed for the last 10 years and reging over 1000 domains that it's just a contact between nom and domain owner, I used it in the loosest sense of the meaning - but thats not the point. You can bang on all you want about leaseholder sytems and being sued but the bottom line is nominet don't care about 3rd party conracts - if im the regestered owner of a domain I can do what I wnt with it, and if I think someones got the balls to sue then i'll take that on the chin. Don't get me wrong I think that domain rental can work well, but just not for me.. Quote:
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24-09-2009, 02:12:57 PM
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To you it does not make sense to increase the value of your company making extra funds to expand that’s a great business plan? Company A comes and says I have A.co.uk you know leasing A.co.uk would make you £xxxxxx extra profit during the term of your lease you would not lease it.... The leaseholder gets a web presence, Does'nt have to tie up cash, A tangible asset to raise funds and increase the value of there company, more funds to expand. Corporations/Business do it all the time... You can raise funds/increase the value of your company against the leased domain by the amount of the lease per annum. You seriously think nominet don't care what a court says…. 10 years and you don't know there T & C’s, but then I remeber regging with through an ISP & Naming Committee... Bottom line is if you enter into a legal contract and default you loose... They don't need balls you would just be handing them yours on a plate... Buying the domain is not always the best policy, If you bought at the peak you could be looking at a 20 %+ loss right now ? Quote:
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