Bleak Midwinter...

[rob]

Originally Posted by GreyWing

Wasn't mentioning the specifics of climate change but why would you listen to someone's predictions of something in 50 years when they can't get 3 months correct.

Climate and weather are different things.

Have a nose at Met Office: Climate projections and associated pages - the first two sentances on that site hardly duck the point.

As I said in another thread, I thought the debate was down to the causes (ie. natural cycles v man) rather than if its some global tax conspiracy con!

Do you honestly believe it is as sean says hype dreamt up by a global group to ensure a new wave of tax or the like?

[rob]

Originally Posted by GreyWing

Things is though mate the ice is not retreating, Nasa's own satelites show it's not and there is more ice now than in the last 30 years.

Ok - quick google, New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Story from July 2009 entitled "New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning"


Using ICESat measurements, scientists found that overall Arctic sea ice thinned about 0.17 meters (7 inches) a year, for a total of 0.68 meters (2.2 feet) over four winters. The total area covered by the thicker, older "multi-year" ice that has survived one or more summers shrank by 42 percent.

Previously, scientists relied only on measurements of area to determine how much of the Arctic Ocean is covered in ice, but ICESat makes it possible to monitor ice thickness and volume changes over the entire Arctic Ocean for the first time.

Science gets better, understanding gets better.

Where does NASA say its not and there is more than there was 30 years ago?

You want to see someone who can predict the weather, have a look at the guy who predicts it by observing sun spots, he's been banned from william hill for winning bets on his predictions, not sure you can say that about climate warriors.

Never heard that - my google search came up with this thread no 1 , and propagandamatrix a close second - who have a donation area 'to keep the truth alive' I grew out of the x files when I was 16.

Any primary source of that?

[GreyWing]

Originally Posted by rob

Climate and weather are different things.

Have a nose at Met Office: Climate projections and associated pages - the first two sentances on that site hardly duck the point.

As I said in another thread, I thought the debate was down to the causes (ie. natural cycles v man) rather than if its some global tax conspiracy con!

Do you honestly believe it is as sean says hype dreamt up by a global group to ensure a new wave of tax or the like?

For me their is a debate whether the weather is cyclical or permanent. If you start to observe the weather over on extreme of that cycle then that is going to stand up for certain people's theories, where the same figures across the full cycle will show something else, but ultimately there is still a debate on is this cyclical, how big is the cycle, how long and how extreme are the events in it?

I personally think it's a con to keep countries like India, african countries and China from overtaking the western countries in GDP. So for that reason I'm all for it.

But as a pragamatic person I hate it, I thought we left this type of behaviour alone back in the 1700's when we were hanging witches. The main thing that seperates our society from that of the 1700's and dunking old women with warts is "proof". Al Gore the witch finder general making money for every witch he finds. Did you know be buys carbon credits to cover his big mansion and air travel, or wait, he buys them off his own company

Proof in my book is the ability to recreate or predict and thos epredictions come true, none of those has even been completed by man made climate change believers.





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[GreyWing]

[quote=rob;226676]Ok - quick google, New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Story from July 2009 entitled "New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning"]

Sorry story relates to antartic ice sheets, Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

Global Warming Hoax: News / Comments / Antarctic Sea Ice For December 1979 verses December 2008

I'm surprised you've not seen that guy who talks about sun spots on the news, he keeps taunting the socalled scientists and yet no one ever debates with him

I'll see if i can get his name, he looks like the guy who designed beagle 2.

But when you say you grew out of crazy theories when you were 16 as if I still believe in them, you are missing the point. It's you that are believing in something that doesn't exist until you proof it, not me not believing in something until I disprove it.

[GreyWing]

For anyone that ever wants to study sunspots v man made climate change believers who of course predicted last year as a barbecue summer

Sunspots, From the mid 1600s to early 1700s, a period of very low sunspot activity (known as the Maunder Minimum) coincided with a number of long winters and severe cold temperatures in Western Europe, called the Little Ice Age.

There are no sun spots in 2008 / 2009 and look at the last 2 winters through the northern hemisphere.

The missing sunspots: Is this the big chill? - Science, News - The Independent

Take a look out of the window and ask yourself who you believe?

[rob]

Originally Posted by GreyWing

But when you say you grew out of crazy theories when you were 16 as if I still believe in them, you are missing the point. It's you that are believing in something that doesn't exist until you proof it, not me not believing in something until I disprove it.

You said NASA's images prove otherwise, so I went to NASA and they disagreed.

You counter that quoting globalwarminghoax.com and Foxnews.com, two bastions of impartiality, claiming NASA is rubbish now.

That bloke might be banned from the bookies (cant find that quoted anywhere apart from forums that also claim mossad blew up the faked moon landings) but you aint - go make some ££££!!!!

[GreyWing]

Originally Posted by rob

You said NASA's images prove otherwise, so I went to NASA and they disagreed.

You counter that quoting globalwarminghoax.com and Foxnews.com, two bastions of impartiality, claiming NASA is rubbish now.

That bloke might be banned from the bookies (cant find that quoted anywhere apart from forums that also claim mossad blew up the faked moon landings) but you aint - go make some ££££!!!!

They were the first two on google, so how about nasa themselves

NASA - NASA Ice Campaign Takes Flight in Antarctica

Rob have a look at the dates on these predictions http://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadV...ThreadId=10734 , they were right your met office was wrong wrong wrong. Your attitude seems to be ignoring science and going into hysterical rhetoric.

but you quote the met office, haha (barbecue summer yippee with a mild winter)

I think we need to agree to disagree and let people believe what they want

(oh by the way, read the last post of that page I just gave you)

[tifosi]

damn. I only said it was snowing...

as Harry Hill says. 'There's only one way to sort it....FIGHT!'

[DB]

People need to wise up it's a hoax it's been proven times and tome again..

There is no more climate change than a thousand years ago.

Next thing they will be saying breathing air is getting limited and we will need to pay tax on it..

Again.. "don't believe the hype"

[DB]

The earths mass keeps changing has done for millions of years.. Now they call it climate change so they can extort more money from us.