.org.uk value

Bailey · 29-09-2011, 07:45:20 PM

As A slight but relevant addition.

"Investors" are more interested in "Where something is going" NOT "where its at"

The UK namespace has a built-in 'uncertainty element' that we all know can be changed/influenced at any moment. The belief in org.uk extension as a commercial proposition is unwisely based (imho) on it's unique high-profile to UK developers. I personally find it difficult to get UK users interested in .co.uk ( .com = No problem) - If I mentioned .org.uk as a business proposition there gonna fall off their chairs

JMOT · 29-09-2011, 07:55:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jwm

Or why not set the store on aquatics.org.uk, SEO it for the term aquatics and then when you have high/1st place rankings on G 301 the site to bobsaquatics.co.uk

You then have a 'branded' site ranking for the main keyword in your industry

OMG YES YES YES, finally someone who thinks like me

Lets be friends

scwebsites · 29-09-2011, 07:55:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwm

Or why not set the store on aquatics.org.uk, SEO it for the term aquatics and then when you have high/1st place rankings on G 301 the site to bobsaquatics.co.uk

You then have a 'branded' site ranking for the main keyword in your industry

It doesn't work like that though does it. Whilst that would work for a week or two, when Google see the permanent redirect on aquatics.org.uk, although any authority and links would be credited to the new domain, bobsaquatics.co.uk would not necessarily simply take over the same search engine positions. aquatics.org.uk would soon drop from the serps leaving bobsaquatics.co.uk to fend for itself.

Whilst authority and pagarank are passed on with only a little loss when a 301 is in place, on site SEO, and that includes keywords in the domain name, do not.

JMOT · 29-09-2011, 07:59:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scwebsites

It doesn't work like that though does it. Whilst that would work for a week or two, when Google see the permanent redirect on aquatics.org.uk, although any authority and links would be credited to the new domain, bobsaquatics.co.uk would not necessarily simply take over the same search engine positions. aquatics.org.uk would soon drop from the serps leaving bobsaquatics.co.uk to fend for itself.

Whilst authority and pagarank are passed on with only a little loss when a 301 is in place, on site SEO, and that includes keywords in the domain name, do not.

You clearly dont know what you are doing. No disrespect but if done correctly it works a treat.

jwm · 29-09-2011, 08:02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMOT

OMG YES YES YES, finally someone who thinks like me

Lets be friends

lol of course

Quote:

Originally Posted by scwebsites

It doesn't work like that though does it. Whilst that would work for a week or two, when Google see the permanent redirect on aquatics.org.uk, although any authority and links would be credited to the new domain, bobsaquatics.co.uk would not necessarily simply take over the same search engine positions. aquatics.org.uk would soon drop from the serps leaving bobsaquatics.co.uk to fend for itself.

Whilst authority and pagarank are passed on with only a little loss when a 301 is in place, on site SEO, and that includes keywords in the domain name, do not.

I disagree, it works just fine if you do it properly

Systreg · 29-09-2011, 08:14:41 PM

I suppose a good example of that 301 redirect is Frogs payday-loans.co.uk site that redirects to the paydayloans.org.uk site, which is #1 in serps for the term "payday loans".

scwebsites · 29-09-2011, 08:33:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JMOT

You clearly dont know what you are doing. No disrespect but if done correctly it works a treat.

Well I've been working in SEO successfully for near on 10 years, so I have an idea what I'm doing.

I'm not saying it can't work, it probably can, but it wouldn't be reliable and you could loose your position in the serps. I wouldn't do it for several reasons, but if it works for you, good for you.

inbound · 29-09-2011, 09:19:09 PM

Being in anything for a long time can lead to holding on to beliefs that used to be true. This does work, and has done so (when correctly implemented) for at least 4 years.

You may have tried it before then and made your mind up or done it since then and overlooked something. Alternatively, as I suspect is the case, you have not tried it due to fear that it won't work. Google thrives on FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) and you are not helping by spreading it.

If you build site A about topic A and then want to 301 redirect all of the pages to Site B (also in topic A, ideally to same url structure but should at least be best match) there's no reason why this should not work - Google even have answered questions about the topic (which is important given they rarely promise anything). Something you should certainly avoid is daisy-chaining 301's (which is where many people go wrong without knowing it) as there is an acknowledged (but unspecified) limit with that (in practice I find that after 5 Google may stop following and each level beyond the first seems to suffer from a reduction in passing link value).

scooter · 29-09-2011, 11:50:30 PM

Generic org.uk's are a developers paradise. You can slip under the radar and pop up ahead of all the big boy companies. Companies that have been trading online for years, no matter how much they have spent on offline and online advertising. Frog's site demonstrates this.

I fail to see the point in a 301 from a great generic to an ungeneric.co.uk unless you are heavily trading offline as well. if it is all online, why bother? You can get the same seo results on aquatics.org.uk. A sprinkle of "Bob" on the pages will ensure you rank first for "bobs aquatics"

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29-09-2011, 07:45:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
Bailey Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Essex UK Posts: 1,619 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 4)	As A slight but relevant addition. "Investors" are more interested in "Where something is going" NOT "where its at" The UK namespace has a built-in 'uncertainty element' that we all know can be changed/influenced at any moment. The belief in org.uk extension as a commercial proposition is unwisely based (imho) on it's unique high-profile to UK developers. I personally find it difficult to get UK users interested in .co.uk ( .com = No problem) - If I mentioned .org.uk as a business proposition there gonna fall off their chairs __________________ TheDon dot Com

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inbound Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 131 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 2)	Being in anything for a long time can lead to holding on to beliefs that used to be true. This does work, and has done so (when correctly implemented) for at least 4 years. You may have tried it before then and made your mind up or done it since then and overlooked something. Alternatively, as I suspect is the case, you have not tried it due to fear that it won't work. Google thrives on FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) and you are not helping by spreading it. If you build site A about topic A and then want to 301 redirect all of the pages to Site B (also in topic A, ideally to same url structure but should at least be best match) there's no reason why this should not work - Google even have answered questions about the topic (which is important given they rarely promise anything). Something you should certainly avoid is daisy-chaining 301's (which is where many people go wrong without knowing it) as there is an acknowledged (but unspecified) limit with that (in practice I find that after 5 Google may stop following and each level beyond the first seems to suffer from a reduction in passing link value). Last edited by inbound; 29-09-2011 at 09:23:34 PM. Reason: Added clarification to redirection preference

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scooter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,541 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 21)	Generic org.uk's are a developers paradise. You can slip under the radar and pop up ahead of all the big boy companies. Companies that have been trading online for years, no matter how much they have spent on offline and online advertising. Frog's site demonstrates this. I fail to see the point in a 301 from a great generic to an ungeneric.co.uk unless you are heavily trading offline as well. if it is all online, why bother? You can get the same seo results on aquatics.org.uk. A sprinkle of "Bob" on the pages will ensure you rank first for "bobs aquatics" . __________________ Motorhome hire Scotland :: EzGAMER

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Systreg Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: County Cork Republic of Ireland Posts: 4,181 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 106)	I suppose a good example of that 301 redirect is Frogs payday-loans.co.uk site that redirects to the paydayloans.org.uk site, which is #1 in serps for the term "payday loans".