Registration certificates

grandin · 18-09-2006, 11:59 AM

Deat Jay,

The pitch was clearly helpful....I am a bit thick on these things....I will have to read through your post to truely understand but without reading it in great depth can you tell me why this wouldn't work:-

Court rules that a domain name has the ability to be owned ie. property (from a given date...given we can't go back in time).

Nominet (plus competitors if that arises) takes on a tried and tested approach ie. Land Registry. Nominet does not require a renewal fee as there is nothing to renew as right of ownership is established at the point of registration but charges for amendments/additions to the record

Lee

fred · 18-09-2006, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandin

Deat Jay,

The pitch was clearly helpful....I am a bit thick on these things....I will have to read through your post to truely understand but without reading it in great depth can you tell me why this wouldn't work:-

Court rules that a domain name has the ability to be owned ie. property (from a given date...given we can't go back in time).

Nominet (plus competitors if that arises) takes on a tried and tested approach ie. Land Registry. Nominet does not require a renewal fee as there is nothing to renew as right of ownership is established at the point of registration but charges for amendments/additions to the record

Lee

Who pays to keep the root servers going? The Office costs? The staff wages?

grandin · 18-09-2006, 01:06 PM

Hi,

Lets assume no renewals...therefore no wages for staff linked to renewals....no incoming calls relating to renewals. Like Land Registry, amendments and additions are charged at a rate that covers the total costs relating to running the registry....Land Registry have staff and computer systems but they don't charge a renewal fee and take a property from you if you don't renew

Tried and Tested and everyone owns what they own...Land Registry

Lee

Jay Daley · 18-09-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandin

Nominet (plus competitors if that arises) takes on a tried and tested approach ie. Land Registry. Nominet does not require a renewal fee as there is nothing to renew as right of ownership is established at the point of registration but charges for amendments/additions to the record

The first point here is that the Land registry doesn't need to do anything for you to be able to use your land, it actually only has to be involved when you do a transaction with them.

A domain name registry is of course different because it has to pay the ongoing costs of the nameservers that make that domain work. I've already established in my previous email why that leads to charges and in turn renewal.

So I'm assuming that your hypothetical situation relates to a domain that has no service associated with it and so is possibly just be sat on for later usage. In that case I would say that would mean having two different sets of rules, one for those that use the DNS service and one don't. This is of course not a sensible way to run a registry.

So

grandin · 18-09-2006, 02:01 PM

Hi, Land Registry run a 'who is' and you can download information about owners...so what do Nominet do more that results in a renewal?

Lee

Jay Daley · 18-09-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by grandin

Hi, Land Registry run a 'who is' and you can download information about owners...so what do Nominet do more that results in a renewal?

Erm, DNS (as well as support to tag holders and registrants - but we can leave that for another day). Do you want me to explain how DNS works?

fred · 18-09-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Daley

Erm, DNS (as well as support to tag holders and registrants - but we can leave that for another day). Do you want me to explain how DNS works?

Just give a quick demo... Switch off the servers for an hour or so and he'll soon work out why they are needed

sneezycheese · 18-09-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Daley

A domain name registry is of course different because it has to pay the ongoing costs of the nameservers that make that domain work.

...I'd be interested to see a Cost Breakdown Analysis based on what it would actually cost to run a such a system stripped down to it's core basic functions (i.e. that needed just to run the .uk registry without the renewals/DRS/direct registration/PRSS etc.) - I'm guessing the costs would be a lot less than they are at the moment I would also ask if the ongoing registrations and transfer fees whould support most, if not all the associated costs based on this scenario.

Regards,

Sneezy.

Jay Daley · 18-09-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sneezycheese

...I'd be interested to see a Cost Breakdown Analysis based on what it would actually cost to run a such a system stripped down to it's core basic functions (i.e. that needed just to run the .uk registry without the renewals/DRS/direct registration/PRSS etc.) - I'm guessing the costs would be a lot less than they are at the moment I would also ask if the ongoing registrations and transfer fees whould support most, if not all the associated costs based on this scenario.

Don't forget the cost of my time answering all these questions on AD !

sneezycheese · 18-09-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Daley

Don't forget the cost of my time answering all these questions on AD !

...Christ all mighty! - In that case reg fees will have to go up based on that scenario!

18-09-2006, 11:59 AM	#11
grandin Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,001 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 12)	Thanks Deat Jay, The pitch was clearly helpful....I am a bit thick on these things....I will have to read through your post to truely understand but without reading it in great depth can you tell me why this wouldn't work:- Court rules that a domain name has the ability to be owned ie. property (from a given date...given we can't go back in time). Nominet (plus competitors if that arises) takes on a tried and tested approach ie. Land Registry. Nominet does not require a renewal fee as there is nothing to renew as right of ownership is established at the point of registration but charges for amendments/additions to the record Lee __________________ Buy To Let Mortgages Buy To Let mortgages Discount Mortgages landlord insurance van insurance student loan Commercial Mortgages Fixed Mortgages UK Hotels UK Holidays

18-09-2006, 01:06 PM	#13
grandin Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,001 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 12)	reply Hi, Lets assume no renewals...therefore no wages for staff linked to renewals....no incoming calls relating to renewals. Like Land Registry, amendments and additions are charged at a rate that covers the total costs relating to running the registry....Land Registry have staff and computer systems but they don't charge a renewal fee and take a property from you if you don't renew Tried and Tested and everyone owns what they own...Land Registry Lee __________________ Buy To Let Mortgages Buy To Let mortgages Discount Mortgages landlord insurance van insurance student loan Commercial Mortgages Fixed Mortgages UK Hotels UK Holidays

18-09-2006, 02:01 PM	#15
grandin Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,001 No Classified Ratings Domain Trader Rating: (100% / 12)	Land Registry Hi, Land Registry run a 'who is' and you can download information about owners...so what do Nominet do more that results in a renewal? Lee __________________ Buy To Let Mortgages Buy To Let mortgages Discount Mortgages landlord insurance van insurance student loan Commercial Mortgages Fixed Mortgages UK Hotels UK Holidays

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