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Old 02-05-2012, 06:50:42 AM     #51 (permalink)

 
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Oh come on...what do you think? Do you want me to do it for you?

You wont see this opportunity again in Google world.

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Ps. Sorry but I am not going to look at peoples sites. I am happy to post what we learn and what we are doing but I am not going to do the work for you
I'll rephrase the question, I don't want to you to do it for me and reading your updated first post I think you have already answered it.

My question related to anchor text. I put up a few reasonable links with keyword anchor text and promptly saw the page fall front page to second in G for that keyword, without affecting it for others.

I wasn't sure next to try sitename anchor text or sitename keyword combos. I figured it was partly an anchor text over optimisation problem as in my small niche a lot more branded sites have appeared in the serps, with consequently varied link profiles.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:18:55 AM     #52 (permalink)

 
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ha ha Tom

As you know the stuff I am quotins is not being tested by me, but by our staff.

I am but a messenger.

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Old 02-05-2012, 10:18:13 AM     #53 (permalink)

 
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Okay, well having spent a few days looking at various sites in various niches (especially the tough niches) I *think* I *might* have a solution...

...but accept that I also might not.

By way of an experiment to test this out I have taken an old site of mine that used to rank between 3rd & 10th on page 1 of G, and that disappeared out of the top 1000 on the 24th.

The home page still isn't in the top 1000, the site is an org uk and is related to the menopause, specifically to the symptoms of it

Hope that tells you what the site is, I obviously don't want to post it's URL here.

Anyway, i've made a few adjustments to see what happens, and I have a list of another 4 changes that I will make if there's no response within a week or so.

If the site comes back I'll tell you all what I've done.

Fingers crossed and all that.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:31:03 AM     #54 (permalink)

 
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The problem with trying to fix your site with this update is that we don't know whether sites will come back or not.

a) If I remove bad links will my site come back?
b) Is this a continuous algorithm or is it re-run once a month like Panda?
c) It's impossible to remove a lot bad links anyway (e.g. banned digitalforum link sellers, automated links, xrumer, senuke etc)
d) Even if I remove bad links, there might be a 3 month penalty, which makes it very hard to analyse short term fixes.
e) What did this update even target in the first place? There's lots of spam sites still ranking. Both Pat's SecurityGuardTrainingHQ.com site and his competitor's SecurityGuardTraining-HQ.com (which uses tons of blog network links and spun articles) are still ranking top.
f) This is an algorithmic update. There is no reinclusion request.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:38:13 AM     #55 (permalink)

 
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Well that's the point of experimenting, to see whether it's a penalty or an algorithmic change.

My gut feeling is that for most sites it's algorithmic and that there will consequently be a work around to it.

It's better than sitting here speculating, we need to see what happens not try and guess.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:44:26 AM     #56 (permalink)

 
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Well, personally I'm just going to restart a few projects, take the content down, and upload it all on new domain, then change the high quality links around over time.

I think Google has always been strict when it comes to penalties and I can't see any short term solution to this. It's better to start a clean slate with Google imo then spend months tinkering with your site or waiting for someone from SearchEngineLand.com to provide the answer.

I'm not critical of your methods, this is just my personal opinion on my sites.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:53:18 PM     #57 (permalink)

 
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I've made some fairly minor changes to one site in terms of keyword density (which was already below 3%) and some incoming links. I have also added anew page and will monitor how that works.I will now stop tinkering and see what happens.

I am now building two further sites in the same niche - one I will be a bit more aggressive with in terms of incoming links and keyword density etc and one very low key - and again I'll then see what happens

One other site i have which was hit and was fairly strong with keywords and interlinking, I am going to really tone the keywords right down and see what happens. It's an EMD with keywords that are rarely used together, so relatively easy to rank, so I think this may tell me a lot.
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Genius by Google

So what wil happen going forward:

The brands and agencies will be scared of doing agressive seo.

The agressive online players who have good inhouse teams will have a field day picking up the rankings.

The cost of getting real quality links will rise.

The dirty networks will not reappear...unless for negative seo.

All the crap will be gone and it will be hard to rank crap.

In a year the serps will be dominated by the brands and by the "clever" companies with good inhouse seo teams

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Old 02-05-2012, 03:38:56 PM     #59 (permalink)

 
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All the crap will be gone and it will be hard to rank crap.
Based on their current algo it will also be very hard to rank good! lol

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Does anyone have a clue whether penguin will be re-run and updated periodically, like panda, or is it live ?
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