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Old 02-05-2012, 07:48:46 PM     #71 (permalink)

 
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Whereas prior to this update she would have had an extra fifty or more sites advertising washing machines from the twenty-seven retailers that now dominate. Who more deserves the prime Google position, the company that holds millions of Pounds of stock or somebody sitting in their bedroom doing nothing but trying to trick Google and punters into thinking they're the retailer.
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Btw, I'm generalising here, some affiliate sites offer genuine added value and deserve reward for their hard work but the vast majority are just dressed up affiliate feeds

I think if your aff site/flog makes it through this update then you should be ok.

Bring back Zyra - ohhh those were the days..

Wait..most of you were still swimming around in your dad's sack back then, so I doubt you know of the ledgend of Zyra..
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Whereas prior to this update she would have had an extra fifty or more sites advertising washing machines from the twenty-seven retailers that now dominate. Who more deserves the prime Google position, the company that holds millions of Pounds of stock or somebody sitting in their bedroom doing nothing but trying to trick Google and punters into thinking they're the retailer.
That is true and its not me having sour grapes but I honestly dont think things are better now than they were before. The yellow pages was fine for lists of retailers but its a bit dull on the internet

To me most average affilaites added something - like combining the products a variety of retailers sold so I could see a larger range in one place, or even displaying them better than some merchants do or highlighting features, sales etc..

I still think they have killed far too many sites (not just affilaites) as most sites were using the same link tactics to rank and now a lot of the results now look a bit samey which is a shame.
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:52:00 PM     #73 (permalink)

 
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check in a year

results will be better and all dodgy sites will be gone.

no longer can you buy domain, add auto generated content and spend $500 on dodgy links and rank

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results will be better and all dodgy sites will be gone.

no longer can you buy domain, add auto generated content and spend $500 on dodgy links and rank

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That sounds like good news to me.
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it was a good ride though

It just became much too easy to rank rubbish......now the sites that are cared for or have big money spent on them will win...how it should be.

As I keep saying big opportunities for anyone who wishes to do some work....no more whinging about if I had been around in 2002 I could have made a fortune....the clock has been reset

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Old 03-05-2012, 08:28:47 AM     #76 (permalink)

 
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As I keep saying big opportunities for anyone who wishes to do some work....no more whinging about if I had been around in 2002 I could have made a fortune....the clock has been reset
Doug, you keep saying this and I wonder if you wouldn't mind giving your reasons why you think this is such a fundamental shift and not just a brief shakeup.
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When this started I decided I should experiment a bit... a blog I started a week ago is now ranking on page 3 for a competitive sector, no links to it really and just a few posts...

Now i just have to understand why... and the net is my oyster!

Also... I think Dougs point is that all the people who thought they knew SEO and had it down, have just been thrown for a loop. SEO has somewhat... refreshed I guess. Peoples sites have litterally been killed by the thousands and thousands, which means there is more room for new sites and if you work hard you can take those positions.

Edit2: Although its worth noting that there are some issues with penguin which hopefully will be sorted out, like the issue of the 301s (look up 'payday loans' for an example)

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Google just re-released its guidance on 301's. I think for the specific reason its planning on making them be handled via GWMT in future to force the spammy 301's out.

My best guess would be that shortly, if you 301 a domain without having authenticated and linked both sites in GWMT google wont recognise it.

They know full well the game of whack-a-mole being played on terms like payday loans.

They'll fix that hole well before they fix the backlinks issue in GWMT eg just being able to tick a box saying "delete these links from counting" allowing fast easy cleanup to keep mr cutts happy.
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They'll fix that hole well before they fix the backlinks issue in GWMT eg just being able to tick a box saying "delete these links from counting" allowing fast easy cleanup to keep mr cutts happy.
Even if GWMT had this functionality, can you imagine being in the soul destroying position of having a negative SEO campaign against you and your website/business and having to manually sift through and tick/un-tick thousands if not 10's of thousands of links to stop your site from being de-indexed or penalised?

If they (Google) want to stop artificial (over-)optimisation of websites, they need to discount links from providing any authority/metric in organic search - both positive AND negative.

If links can carry any such authority (positive or negative), then this skews the whole organic search results of Google, which can't be what Big-G want even if more businesses are forced to use PPC, as this will eventually force general users of Google that are getting non-relevant and out of date websites/articles when browsing the web to go to competitor search engines for better results, leaving Googles business model of promoting PPC and their future in ruins.
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Also... I think Dougs point is that all the people who thought they knew SEO and had it down, have just been thrown for a loop.
Bit of a generalisation, not everyone has been affected/penalised by this.
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