GreyWing

Unfortunately one of my sites has been banned by Google, despite a couple of re-inclusion attempts they have still declined to stop sand boxing it.

One of the ironic things is that since I redesigned the site to fix some duplicate issues to get back into Google, the site earns more just from Bing and Yahoo.

Imagine if I had staff that relied on the traffic for that search engine and now would have to let them all go. I get no reason from Google other than a very vague content reason. My girls write the content I know for a fact it is genuine, without doubt that is not the issue. Some on Google forums say that it is because I have got an affiliate form on the front page and I'm not a lender. War on affiliates from Google?

What really peeves me off is that if my site is so bad, why do they allow me to place adsense on it? why haven't my adsense stopped appearing? It's wrong for free search visitors to come to my site but advertisers can still sell their crap to visitors who come from Yahoo and Bing?

Well Google can go screw themselves, I'm not building a business on the back of traffic from such a psychotic search engine. I might have gone a bit far but I have or in the process of banning their search bot from every one of my sites. I'll build everything up very slowly on the back on the other search engines and social media.

Building a business on Google is like building it on sand... but when resign yourself from being outside Google, you actually feel quite free.

p.s will they listen to the robots file and stop coming to my sites or do I need to ban their ip's. If so does anyone know how I can do it?

Cheers
GW

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springer

Sorry to hear that Graeme.

It can be frustrating when you see sites like this occupying top positions for your keyword with pages like this.

paullopez

I can imagine how pathetic it is. Even a lot of genuine sites were punished without any proper explanation from Google, however, they are also taking steps to get those issues corrected and I guess all it could be done soon or later. So wait and watch …

Blossom

Absolutely. It's a win-win situation for them.

GreyWing

Cheers guys, I'm not too disheartened by it to be honest. The site now makes on par with what it was doing before it was banned probably because I removed all the adsense junk from it and the new affiliates pay much more.

I think it would be hypocritical of me to slag off Google and then accept traffic from their site. So that was the reason their bots are prevented from indexing any of my sites. I don't think that people can on one hand criticise something and on the other still use them, hence the reason for my banning of them.

I'm confident that my business models and plans can work without any traffic from Google. Will be interesting to see what can be achieved without relying on them and maybe bursting the myth that they are the be all and end all of the web.

Of course any site that makes it would have done a lot better with the help of Google, but I think they can make it without selling out to them.

I wonder if I should start every meta description with "piss off Google"... lol

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Brassneck

Twice I have lost sites in the index. Each a group were 'banned' at same time - presumably they managed to work out a link through host / ownership but I never could work out why they were banned. Anyways, both times after 2 years exactly they were reindexed. Google is very fickle.

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MASSEY

Google are not nice people. They are a corporation that make money. They have screwed me over on google places rankings where the average visitor is worth in excess of two grand .

But i can't really complain having made a small fortune from FREE traffic.

I would just make a new site and go again if i was you...

I hate seo for yahoo and bing, they are too keyword domain focussed. I prefer Google optimising.

redbird

How can you tell if a site is actually banned by Google rather than just "not indexed"?

I was asked to look at a relatively new business site by my wife's new employer and it isn't indexed anywhere in G. Having looked at the the source I can see why it could be banned (he's corrected that now) but how can I be sure if it is? Is there a tool?

There is no competition for his keywords (business name) so he should get to page one with hardly any effort.

Dave

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namdas

* if a "site:yourdomain.com" shows no results you are not indexed - check any issues on your server (eg incorrect status codes, robots.txt / meta robot disallows, etc). If there aren't any obvious errors you might be manually banned

* If you have lost your rankings - eg from #1 to #50, #999 etc - then it is more likely to be an automatic penalty based on your links, link growth or duplicate content and so can usually be fixed with some patience, or can be arbritrarily lifted as the thresholds for the filters change or a penalty period times out. Try getting some different types of links, different anchor texts etc and see if you get any movement.

* If you don't appear for your site name try searching for a unqiue snippet from your home page content in quotes - this can often show if there is somethign seriously wrong with your rankings or potentially if someone has scraped your content and that might be causing an duplicate content issue. Also searching for 'domainname.com' should normally return you top - or at least top 10 - even if a search for 'domain name' doesn't.

New sites can often just be weird though. Check he hasn't got 100% of links with the anchor text 'Business Name', check the above issues and often just waiting can bring a new site back from the wilderness.

redbird

Thanks for the reply and the PM's however judging the by the replies I think I must have phrased my question badly as I already know it isn't indexed and what needs to be done to the site to avoid getting banned in the future etc.

I'm 95% sure he is banned (because of what he did) but I just want to know if there is a definitive way of finding out YES/NO if it is banned rather than it "probably is".

i.e is there such a tool that you type the URL into and Google says YES this is banned or NO this isn't banned (just isn't indexed). Reason being if it isn't banned and just not inexed, then that is easily fixed whereas banned will require a bit more work.

Dave

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