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  1. warning_uk United Kingdom

    warning_uk Active Member

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    Hi all.

    I am interested in buying webdevelopment_co_uk and am keen to get your views on how much you think it reasonable to offer... any ideas?

    Thanks
     
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    retired_member13 Banned

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    Why don't you just offer Nokta lowish $xxx and see what they come back with? Whatever you offer they are going to counter higher regardless, so you may as well start low to give yourself room to move.

    I can't see their counter offer to anything you propose being any lower than low-mid £xxxx at the very best, but it'll probably be higher than that. If you go in at £xxxx chances are the counter will be higher again.

    But then I'm not Nokta.

    Your call - as I wouldn't have posted a thread like this either!!

     
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    Thanks - did that - $24,500

    I take your point - I was just interested in people's opinions...

    Cheers
     
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    The plural is up for sale for $449, & the .net sold for $2,000 in Feb-08 according to DNJournal...not sure how that translates.
     
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    Pleasure, that's about on the money for a Nokta counter I reckon. Probably worth it to the right company though.

    Didn't say you shouldn't post for opinions - it's just Nokta is a member on here. ;)
     
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    Haha - oops. Then I can tell him publically that the offer I just made was my final offer :)
     
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    People are only just starting understand that Web Development and Web Design are not 1 and the same, once Web Design was a catch all for programming, design and development but not now, its breaking off as sites get bigger and more complex and people realise that they need more than a 1 man band.

    So in a few years it will totally be worth the $24k but for now I'd go with Ty's Mid £X,XXX :)
     
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    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Easily worth the asking price to a large web development firm. A single development contract can reach 6 figures. What other move can such a firm take to compete at the top end that one of their equally large competitors can't simply copy?

    Example: we buy an ad - they buy an ad; we write a white paper - they write a white paper; we participate in a tradeshow - they participate in a tradeshow; we buy webdevelopment/co/uk - they drown their sorrows for a week in the local pub, kicking themselves...
     
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    or buy webdevelopments.co.uk for $449 from the same guy :)
     
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    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Thus proving that they don't really understand the expected grammar. Not exactly a classy move by a large company.
     
  12. warning_uk United Kingdom

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    Yeah, but with the £20k saved, that's one heck of a Christmas party...
     
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    Strange though how even companies that deal with the web and make there living from it don’t even see the value of the product they are selling …?

    You could also argue a large companies, corporations etc that specialise in the web should have had the foresight to register the name themselves first....
     
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    Or ewebdevelopment.co.uk for a fiver.

    but going down that road you might as well have fgsgfsgsfgfsd.co.uk and stick the same site up :)
     
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    Is that one still available? And shorter than webdevelopment.co.uk - you've saved me a fortune - thanks.:p
     
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    Yes fgsgfsgsfgfsd.co.uk is still available... better snap it up going to make a killing in years to come don't forget the .com etc you only kick yourself if sum pesky squatter came along:p
     
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  17. warning_uk United Kingdom

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    Well yes and no, I'd say.

    I think companies are as concerned about building their own brand and may decide to invest more in image, PPC and SEO (the second entry on Google for 'web development' is Web Development & Website Design - Guava UK - not Web Development) than in buying a domain name and hoping for either some type-in traffic or a slight improvement in site listings...

    Domain names are not the .be all and .end all :)
     
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    The right domain name can dramatically reduce their marketing costs and increase their credibility. Unless they're a household name (no such thing in the web development niche, I'd suggest) then they need all the help they can get.

    There were about a dozen companies exhibiting in the "web development" section of the Internet World show, perhaps more. Can I remember the name of any of them? No way - they all went for something "branded" or "conceptual". Had I spotted an interesting company with the URL "WebDevelopment.co.uk" you can bet that right now, 6 months later, I could still find their site again instantly!

    BTW, I actually made my own list of who was going to be there and what they do... check out these companies in the web development field:
    Abstrakt Graphics
    Chillifish
    Creative Skills
    Eazytiger
    Fortune Cookie (UK)
    Indus Net Technologies
    Lost Ferret
    Nomensa
    Punkyduck
    Red Ant
    Silver Touch Technologies Ltd.
    Telerik

    I really really wish the above was a joke list, but it's not - it's the actual names of the companies that had stands at Internet World 2009 and that focused exclusively or extensively on offering web development services.

    Now remember that simply to be at Internet World in the smallest possible stand will set you back nearly 10K all in (by the time you've rented furniture, prepared marketing materials and display panels etc) and the larger companies were EASILY spending 25K-50K or more, plus transport, hotels, expenses etc. and the full extent of the blinkerdness becomes more apparent!
     
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    Thanks for your post - funny list... I liked PunkyDuck the best. I daresay they're called that because they, erm, punk up ducks? Who can say?

    Internet World... hmm, tried that last year, stayed at home this year :|
     
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    One of my clients outgrew my services and went to webdezign.co.uk and they shelled 10k + Vat for bespoke cms platform, then a rolling £500+Vat a month for new 8-10 brand new pages (like single page mini sites) and then was negotiating a part time webmaster to run the site 4 hours a day too when I stepped out of the deal. So there is easily 40k for the first year and 20-25k a year for 1 client.

    I still recommend people speak to Garry at WebDezign, go along have a brew and a chat about what you need.

    I agree with edwin totally tho on the branding vs name, I remember Garry's because its spelled like it sounds which is nice branding :)

    Speaking for someone who makes a slice of their pie from web development, its not that us smaller fish don't see the value its that we don't have the available cash there and then. I don't have £18k to spend on a name so I wen't with a brandable name and I collect names to make 'niche' advertising sites for my business and work around it that way :)
     
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    BTW, the same thing is true of content management. There were loads of content management firms at Internet World 2009, most with fairly substantial (20m2+) stands - most would have spent 30K++ - but the huge poster on my stand with ContentManagementSystem/co/uk and ContentManagementSoftware/co/uk listed for sale didn't even warrant a second glance from them.

    For fun and giggles, here's the (100% genuine) list of all the companies that exhibited in the Content Management section of Internet World 2009:
    Activedition
    Alterian
    Auros
    CoreMedia AG
    Digirati
    e-Spirit UK
    EasySite CMS
    Ektron
    emojo
    eZ systems as
    FatWire
    Interwoven Europe
    Jadu
    Nqcontent
    RedDot
    Sitecore
    Squiz.net
    VYRE Ltd

    I think I could actually feel my braincells die about a 3rd of the way down the list.

    Bear in mind too that in most cases a single content management contract is worth 10K+ (and for the larger players, 50K+) and the above list tells the whole sorry story.

    Probably one of the biggest hurdles is companies can't easily understand the difference between brand and URL - they can call themselves any stupid thing they like as long as they use a very simple, very prominent URL at the same time (if it's in a context where the call to action is meant to lead to a web site visit at some point).

    So they can be Yumzy or Plosh or whatever, but why not make people remember the important part as WebDevelopment.co.uk or ContentManagementSystem.co.uk or what have you?
     
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