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Anyone with a bit of spare DAC quota and willing to fiddle with a spreadsheet?

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  1. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    I'm looking for somebody who's got some spare DAC quota (about 10,000 lookups should do it) and who's comfortable mucking around with Excel. It has to do with Nominet's V2 of the direct.uk proposal - there's something I'd like to test... I'm always happier with "real data" rather than speculating in the abstract.

    Please post in this thread if you're able to help, then perhaps also PM me to let me know. Thanks!
     
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  3. Edwin

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    A kind volunteer has stepped forward. Watch this space.
     
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    grantw Well-Known Member

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    I'm just writing some code to run through my domains that will output a comma seperated file, in relation to the proposal. It may be close to what you're after. Drop me a pm if you like Edwin.

    Grant
     
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    Ah, too late :)

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  6. invincible

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    Is this an experiment in finding out approximately how many {ltd|me|org|plc}.uk domain names predate the current "Registered on" date of the corresponding .co.uk domain name?
     
  7. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Yes, kind of, with a genuinely "fair" sample of data. I will explain more later.
     
  8. invincible

    invincible Well-Known Member

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    Okay. However I don't think it can be done fairly with any kind of sample. One actually really needs the lists of the {ltd|me|org|plc}.uk up until the cut off date to do this anywhere near accurately. The me.uk extension might (for example) be skewed towards first and surname orientated domain names.
     
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  9. Skinner

    Skinner Well-Known Member

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    I think a better idea for this would be find a list of big companies who acquired names like domain.co.uk and run their names see how long it takes for the teeth to show.

    I mean domainit.com are set to take domain.uk leaving sedo to swivel as it were.
     
  10. invincible

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    It's accepted that .co.uk accounts for over 90% of domain names registered within .uk. It probably always has (I'd like to see statistics running back as far as possible with .co.uk compared to the other individual extensions rather than combining them as a "all other" total).

    It's likely that in almost all cases the .co.uk was originally/initially registered prior to the corresponding .org.uk. Many of those initial .co.uk registrations would have been made for businesses operating in the late 1990s. The org.uk's were probably picked up by people who just wanted a nice sounding word with what was considered a non-commerical extension. Many of the businesses failed, possibly because of the .com crash at the turn of the century. What is critical to remember (and many people on here weren't operating in .uk domain names back then/weren't out of nappies/had lives prior to depression and turning to domain names as an online outlet/whatever) is that .uk drops didn't occur as they do now. Nominet used to hold onto domain names for years without dropping them. When they did eventually drop them they dropped 1000s and sometimes 10,000s over a short period. This occured between 2002 and 2004/5 until the backlog had been cleared. So Nominet contributed to the late registration dates of many domain names by holding onto them and dropping them way after 90 days from expiry date. Nominet also took a long time to drop many premium prenom domain names (domain names that once predated Nominet itself). Many of those former prenom domain names will postdate the matching .org.uk and .me.uk which were probably picked as little more than cheap vanity because there was no hope in the registrant getting the .co.uk.

    Domains ending .me.uk were launched on 14th January 2002 and many of those will obviously predate premium .co.uk that were either locked into prenom before dropping or postnom and held onto by Nominet for ages prior to dropping.

    Go find the direct.uk video with Elenor Bradley talking to a mystery interviewer (who is never shown) rather than directly into the camera and I am sure it promoted direct.uk for business. That's what .co.uk has always been. So either .co.uk gets first refusal OR .co.uk gets the right to say "no" to the .org.uk holder getting it first, thus neither gets it. I don't see that .me.uk or ltd.uk or plc.uk should be brought into it.
     
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  11. PaulGregory

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    A count of .org.uk domains that predate .co.uk is likely to be higher than a count of .org.uk owners that would trump .co.uk owners - .org.uk owners may have defensively registered the matching .co.uk and will often have done so later on.

    Also, particularly in the .org.uk space, people involved with the organisation that owns the .org.uk may have personally registered the .co.uk to redirect through because they were tired of getting it wrong. There's no guarantee that the same "owner" has matching contact details on all the domains they control, so it's difficult to match them up.

    It would be very interesting to take the same 10,000 domains and see which ones redirect to another domain, and what extension that domain uses. (Of course, if the list of domains is itself based on a list of websites, for example by searching Google for site:.uk then that will affect things).
     
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    Why would a .ltd.uk or .plc.uk have fewer rights than a .org.uk owner when surely they have legitimate business/commercial use that .org.uks aren't supposed to have?
     
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    They have just not thought this through, that's why!

    It's not just ltd & plc, there are also other UK SLD's, are not schools (.sch.uk) not entitled to a .uk, anyone involved with a school these days knows that they are run just as any other business and deriving income from non-teaching services, independent schools are businesses. There's .ac.uk - again universities and further education establishments are businesses, users of .nhs.uk, .gov.uk and so on all function in the free market so are commercial and deserve a crack at their .uk, however when there is only 1 domain, there will always be losers.

    As I see it the .me.uk (and a few obscure .uk SLD's) owners have least claim to a .uk, but virtually all the others (including .org.uk) can legitimately have a commercial site on their domain
     
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    That's a good point actually - I bet there will be some universities with very deep pockets looking to buy geo .uks on the secondary market. I can see Nottingham being very keen on that for a start.
     
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    It seems a bit ridiculous that .me.uk can get access, yet ac.uk and sch.uk are excluded. As lets face it... me.uk is a total bottom feeder extension. I bet nobody can list 5 legitimate businesses or genuinely useful sites on this extension.
     
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