Discussion in 'General Board' started by greg2013, Apr 4, 2014.
Possibly, but how has that been made available, as it shows as "no can do" on the Nominet website. Seems a bargain, though one that could maybe be taken back by Nominet if something is amiss?
Can't be registered, won't be registered. Contravenes Nominet's T&C's and is a reserved keyword (think it was on the spreadsheet they sent out during the consultation as well).
Not that sedo give a toss about trying to sell invalid domains.
It's been registered since 1997 though..?
Seems like a perfectly valid LLL .org.uk to me.
bit of a messy url though www.www.org.uk :s
I still come across people who seem to think www prefix is mandatory, but it isn't. But yes I can see why it can be confusing.
Read this for more info: http://www.webfaq.co.uk/prefix.htm
Ah right I see, the domain is actually www with extension .org.uk, very crafty. In that case, it isn't worth much imo.
This might be a really stupid question but going back to something dave said.
if someone types in the browser
www.org.uk (LLL .org.uk)
www.org.uk (www. LLL .UK)
How will that resolve as they are basically the same url,
It's interesting yes, but the domain org.uk will never be registered afaik as it contravenes the 3rd/2nd level naming conventions. So while this resolves because of the server alias it's a moot point.
the www of www.org.uk is www.www.org.uk which resolves to the same landing page.
Still not worth much. www.uk will still go to littlewoods (unless Nominet decide www.uk is important enough to reserve. highly likely)
This thread reinforces a view I've privately held for a long time which is that many domain name investors don't actually understand DNS.
As DaveP pointed out "www.org.uk" is valid. It is a third level domain name. Nominet have allowed it to be registered according to their WHOIS. For reference, bbc.com is an example of a second level domain name.
DaveP also pointed out that there is no technical requirement to prefix domain names with "www" in order of them to resolve to a web site. The "www" element of www.bbc.com could in fact be anything. It is just convention that "www" is commonly used at the third level of .com's and forth level of .co.uk's to indicate a web site is in operation at the URL.
The "www" element of www.bbc.com is merely a subdomain which could be resolved, in DNS, to a different IP address than the IP address where the second level element of the domain name, bbc.com, resolves to. It is perfectly possible to serve entirely different web sites at www.bbc.com and at bbc.com. It is also perfectly possible for either www.bbc.com or bbc.com not to resolve to a web site if one doesn't wish them to.
It is also perfectly possible for both www.bbc.com and bbc.com not to have any DNS entries, hence neither would resolve to a web site, and for some other obscure, as chosen by its registrant, subdomain to have a valid DNS entry and resolve to a web site.
The registrant of example.co.uk could choose not to have DNS entries for either example.co.uk or www.example.co.uk in the example.co.uk zone file. However a DNS entry could be created in the example.co.uk zone file for invincible.example.co.uk and a web site could be hosted on a web server running on the machine with the IP address that invincible.example.co.uk resolves to.
org.uk and .co.uk are second level domain names beneth uk. Other second level domain names include police.uk and ac.uk, amongst about ten others (some not operated directly by Nominet) If Nominet were't imminently planning to open up the second level to the public they could have launched further second level domain names such as, perhaps, .info.uk or .city.uk and then sold third level registrations beneth them just as they have always done with .co.uk and .org.uk.
Nominet are instead opening up the second level of .uk and will be operating a distribution process so the registrant of info.co.uk will have the opportunity to register info.uk and could, if Nominet didn't intend to bring in rules to dictate to registrants that they aren't allowed to, lease subdomains of this second level .uk domain names to third parties and operate it in the same way that Nominet operate .co.uk.
I am not sure what tifosi is referring to in respect of either server aliases or things controvening naming conventions. Both www.co.uk and www.org.uk are registered to different registrants and are valid. www.com has also been registered for many years. It seems that the registrant of www.co.uk hasn't setup a DNS entry to resolve it to a web server that would ordinarily be hosted on port 80 because browsing to www.co.uk errors. However a DNS entry does exist for www.www.co.uk because browsing there returns a web page from BT. Incidentally web servers normally run on port 80, although they can run on other ports, when one uses a web browser it assumes everything is hosted on URLs at port 80 by default. That's why www.acorndomains.co.uk:80 resolves but www.acorndomains.co.uk:81 does not (try it)!
One could add a valid alternative port number after the URL if one had configured a web server to run on a different port other than 80 but that isn't friendly to the average web browser user.
www.org.uk and www.www.org.uk both resolve, but so does example.www.org.uk and hamandcheesesandwiches.www.org.uk. That is because a wildcard DNS entry will have been configured to resolve (anything) *.www.org.uk to the same IP address and the same web server.
I enjoy understanding DNS and personally find it quite easy to fathom but much harder to explain when writing about it for the benefit of others. Writing the above took some thought because I have tried to explain it as best as I can. I genuinely have held the view that many domain name investors are DNS illiterate and so don't really grasp the workings of DNS and how the elements go together. Maybe they don't need to but when threads like this appear it does become evident.
Separate names with a comma.