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Discussion in 'Affiliate Marketing' started by julian, May 23, 2010.

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  1. julian United Kingdom

    julian Banned

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    A friend of mine has tried joining the ebay affiliate prog for one of his websites (http://www.dorsetdiscus.com) but never hears anything back (I assume this means rejected?). As you can see the site is nothing special but is totally legit.

    Yet you see tons of crappy link fodder wp flogs and sites accepted into ebay no problem.

    It almost seems that the better the website is the less chance of being accepted!!?

    Can anyone else offer some advice on this?

    Thanks.
     
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  3. fish United Kingdom

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    ebay are quite picky as to who they let into their EPN. They are at the moment purging existing members through various method including the QPC system. What they are looking for essentially two things: Quality traffic and quality sites that will convert. For example if your site has other aff schemes, advertising or anything that could potentially drive traffic (sales) away from ebay then you won't be invited to join.

    It goes a lot deeper than the above, so read their forums and guidelines for a broader understanding of their requirements

    good luck

    Fish
     
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    dougs Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    no problems

    We just signed up and started.

    Doug
     
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    not worth it
     
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    iv never had any luck with it either :(
     
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    You should receive an email accepting or rejecting you.

    I was rejected, so I waited a few weeks, added a good few posts with good original content and wrote to Chris Worthy - C.Worthy@ro-eye.co.uk. RoEye deal with Ebays EPN programme.

    He was very helpful, looked at my site, approved of the original content and niche, authorised it and I received acceptance instructions.
     
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    Your doing something wrong mate, I know people that where making 6 figures per month. Definitely a no brainer money maker ;)
     
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  10. WestHamFan

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    Have to agree with Aquanuke.

    Provided you put in some effort ePN can generate a very significant income for a website even if people here might giggle at the domain names being used!

    IMO the trick is to concentrate on the less obvious product niches without too much competition and use eBay's RSS feeds or API to make sure your clicks are highly targeted to specific listings.

    I have a few sites that get little effort from me since setting them up but, subject to Google's mood swings, they still typically earn between £50 and £100 per month each. However, other sites I give more regular time to earn substantially more than that each month and receive more regular and stable Google traffic.

    I don't pay for Adwords or any other form of purchased traffic and rely mainly on natural search. So for the cost of a modest hosting account and a bit of content writing it is proving a lot more profitable for me than mining the Whois! Last month I averaged around 5 hours per week writing/working on sites which cleared over £800 and that wasn't untypical. Some of this work is spent promting the websites elsewhere - something many eBay affiliates overlook.

    Around the forums you will see all kinds of negative posts about ePN but, judging by my experience, if you follow the rules and accept you have to adapt to new rules now and again and put in a little bit of work you can do very well.

    People moan about the new QCP payment structure. I agree that it's not as clear to work with as the former CPA model but all the time I'm earning around 60% of eBay's revenue on UK clicks and a little bit more than that on US clicks I wont be complaining!

    From the domaining point of view, even an ugly domain is worth good money if it is pulling in an average of £50/100 per month. In fact all of my ePN monetized sites are using domains that, on their own, probably wouldn't get an offer of reg fee round here! It's all academic anyway as, once a site is earning £xx per month it is an absolute pleasure paying the renewal fee no matter how crap the domain name is.

    More recently I've made use of org.uk or me.uk domains for ePN sites when the .co.uk version is just a Sedo parking page or undeveloped. This makes it very easy to get your site a high Google ranking for the important keywords.

    So in summary, getting an ePN account is not itself an automatic guarantee of income but, if you're willing to put in some time and effort setting up, developing and promoting sites, it is by far and away the best monetizing method I've ever used (including Adsense).
     
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    WestHamFan - do you use specific names such as: white netbooks, or more general such as netbooks, or even more generic such as portable computers and then create many pages on different keywords?
     
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    In all honesty the quality, type or extension of a domain name matters very little to the likely success of an ePN monetized site IMO. I know many a domainer that will claim you can get much better traffic using expensive generics or names with high exact searches etc. But, funny old thing, in the real world of developed websites and natural search these great name attributes don't seem to matter quite so much.

    It is the content of your site that will make it or break it. I would happily use a dreadful name like bingobongo/me/uk (made up) to sell bingo dobbers and tickets etc.

    As I said before, if you target a tight but less obvious niche (e.g. bingo supplies rather than DVD Movies) and write some good unique content that is backed up by links to specific relevant eBay listings you will do just as well with a crappy me/uk domain as you will with a good co/uk costing hundreds. The key is to get good quality and unique content indexed by Google. If anyone mentions the type in traffic myth at you I would just ignore them. Unless you are willing to spend £xx,xxx on a top premium domain (unlikely as the return from ePN wont ever justify it) then it's all about getting good, UNIQUE content indexed.

    I know there will be domainers predictably disagreeing by now but, in my experience, it's fact. When it comes to natural search traffic then Google will favour good content on a poor domain name over poor quality content on a good co/uk domain. Fortunately most of the good domains are parking pages!

    Create an eBay link farm and Google will squash you in no time. I've seen (and tried) no end of RSS driven sites which simply serve up listings by keyword with little or no quality content. Until Google bury you these can generate some clicks but it's not the way to go if you want to build a long term income. The only way such a site can survive long term is to use Adsense or other paid for traffic. It's not a model I've tried.

    My most successful site is focused on a collectable subject. I have a home page with rotating articles (different articles on each day of the week/month). I also draw some eBay listings by RSS to create a fresh set of keyword rich examples WITHOUT adding the affiliate links. Then there is an articles section which now has a couple of hundred indexed pages (using a simple free news script) and also a directory (again a free script) which has created a load more indexed pages. Every page has a search box on it which, together with all links about specific items anywhere on the site, leads to an RSS driven page showing eBay listings according to keywords. This page is excluded from Google by the site's robots.txt file.

    The point of this exclusion is that I am not asking Google to index my search pages full of affiliate links but I do want Google to index all my other subject specific content. It's therefore my content that drives traffic to the affiliate pages and not Google. Google seem to like this way of working as they consistantly bless the site with decent traffic levels and a fair proportion of visitors end up viewing eBay listings.

    I've been working as an eBay affiliate for many years and, accepting things do change over time, I feel as if I've learned a lot about what works and what doesn't. From the domaining point of view I've learned that top quality premium generic names are great assets to own if you can get them at the right price to resell or hopefully appreciate. But for developing websites I rarely use a domain costing more than reg fee. I certainly wouldn't spend over a £100 as my aim as an affiliate is to earn as much as possible while spending as little as possible.

    Aside from new words and rare drops it is difficult to get genuinely premium domain names now. But lesser names, even hopeless names that are producing a regular income are just as appealing to many investors as premium domain names.

    So, for me, making money from ePN isn't really realted to domaining. The two industries use and value domains in very different ways.
     
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  14. whiterabbit

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    On the domain extension point... it does (did) make a difference but not much.

    Back when I was a permanent employee I did an experiment where I invented a gibberish word and put up a couple of pages of gibberish content with a fixed percentage of references to gibberish word in the content. I put a slightly different version on a number of different domain types (.com, .org, .co.uk, etc)...

    And then submitted all to google to see which came out best.

    When other factors are all equal then the .org domain won, followed by .com, followed by co.uk and org.uk (there was nothing between these last two). All of this was on google.com not co.uk

    Haven't got the exact data with me, but will see if I can dig it all out.

    I'd stress this was 2-3 years ago, and other factors (e.g. headers, page title, links) all made a much larger difference to ranking than the domain, but it did seem to have a minor effect.

    Hope this helps.
    WR
     
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