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  1. mspesti

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    My name is Soma and i'm quite new to this internet business. I have my first website up and running and a few more on the way... Started to be interested in this domain market recently and it's very addictive. I bought lots of good names(i think anyway)...but so far i'm struggling to sell them. Anyway i guess it comes in time. All the best guys!
     
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    Hi Soma,

    Welcome to Acorn, what sort of names have you been registering?

    If you're new to this, try not to dive in and spend a small fortune on domains, ask for advice before doing so. We often see new members who post their domains up, only to find they are not anywhere near as good as they thought they were, more often that not, this is the case with non native English speakers registering names.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. Can i post a few here to get some opinion?
     
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    Sure, this is where new members are typically asked to post their best and worst domains anyway, hopefully you'll surprise us :)
     
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    Here's a few. I don't think there's many problem with the English part but you never know...

    imobil.co.uk
    allsale.co.uk
    brokerland.co.uk
    celebrityphoto.co.uk
    casinolucky.co.uk
    cash4gold.info
    findhome.info
    gardenfurnitures.co.uk
    needjob.co.uk
    needlove.co.uk
    photocameras.co.uk
    ticketorder.co.uk

    I have many more... I think they are not bad. But i'll soon find out i guess
     
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    Hi Soma,

    Sorry mate but, to be brutally honest, that's a very poor bunch of domains, most of those terms are not how they would be spoken when used in a sentence, and as such, they don't make sense as a domain name.

    They're not terms that would be searched for, to give you an idea, using the Google keyword tool, these are how many people search for each of those terms each month in the UK:

    [imobil] - < 10
    [all sale] 73
    [broker land] - 0
    [celebrity photo] 110
    [casino lucky] - 0
    [cash 4 gold] 1,000
    [find home] 91
    [garden furnitures] 58
    [need job] 91
    [need love] 46
    [photo cameras] 58
    [ticket order] - 0

    Regardless of search volumes, on the whole, there isn't anything there that would sell for even £5.

    Avoid adding an S on to the end of names like the furniture one, it doesn't make it a good/useful name by doing that, had it been gardenfurniture.co.uk, that is a fantastic domain, but by registering something similar with an added S on the end makes it look completely wrong and desperate.

    To start with, try and stick with generic product or service type names, which is easier said than done, as anything worth registering has already been registered but, there are still domains out there worth registering, you just need to do research to find niches that domains are still available in.

    You should also join a site like www.domainlore.co.uk which has a free drop list of .UK domains, there's a lot of rubbish amongst any drop lists but, often you might see names that get deleted that you can do something with.

    For a while there I thought the cash4gold name was a .co.uk, that might have had some legs, then I realised it was a .info, so I can't see it being worth that much in that case.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. When i look at them in the Google keyword tool most of them comes up with over 40000 local search but maybe i didn't use it properly.
    When i use the keyword tool i put space between the words as i would search for them. And there is some which are not a proper word at least not as it would be used in a sentence but i thought like "ticket order" would be a great name for an online company. I have domains like payforbill.com and when i have a look on average monthly search on "pay for bill" it comes out over 4 million.
    But i guess it was free for a reason :)). Anyway thanks for your help. Hopefully i'll get better at it.
     
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    You need to look to the left side of the Google Keywords page, untick 'broad' and tick 'exact'.
    This way you will get the number of searches for the exact term/phrase your domain name spells out.
    While the number of searches is no guarantee of saleability, at least it shows up the ones that should be avoided due to their unpopularity.
    If you decide to go on any domain buying sites, domainlore is mentioned above, spend a few weeks just looking. An awful lot of domains offered there remain unsold, usually because they have little or no value
     
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    When using the Google keyword tool, for .UK domains, you should have the location set to United Kingdom, and on the left hand side under match types, make sure you only have to box ticked next to exact.

    You're using the tool with the match type set to broad, that gives a completely different result to exact searches, the exact match will only show results for the exact search term you have entered.

    With it set to broad, that returns all other search strings people have made where your words have been included with any number of other words, for example, someone might have searched for "I really do need a job", and in the broad results, "need job" which is your domain name string you entered is part of that longer broad string.

    Again, that's because you have it set to show broad results, if you set it to exact, it shows only 12 exacts searches for "pay for bill",
     
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    Thanks for that. It's true...like this it gives me a very different result. Lot more to learn.
     
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    And how about the ones that doesn't have a .co.uk or a .com?
    Are they useless? Just a few example:

    Onlinehelp.co
    Valuer.eu
    Barbies.me
    Cheapholiday.asia
     
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    And just one more quick question. What about these uk.com sub domains.
    On many forums they say that they worth nothing but i see many sites coming up with that type of domains. For example if you search for "domain broker"
    domainbroker.uk.com is the 3rd. I would call that a great result. I have premierleague.uk.com and if i go on that line it can do very well if i make a site on that. Any thoughts?
     
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    You also need to take care not to register names that include someone else's trademark, such as the Premier League.
     
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    With regards to uk.com, there are quite a few topics on here about that, this is a recent one:

    http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/new-domainers/108288-uk-com.html

    With regards to your premierleague name, go to this page on this site:

    http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-text/

    You'll see an input box with the word "text" in front of it, enter premier league in that box and hit enter, on the next page it will show 41 results for that name being a trademark.

    You would be advised to delete the domain and steer clear of trademarked names, it could easily be taken off you as an abusive registration of a trademarked name, and passing off as them. It would have no other use than as a premier league site, which would be a clear infringement of their trademarks, it could also cost you a large amount of money in damages and court costs if proceeding were taken against you.
     
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    Thanks for all the great news :) :)
     
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    Happy to see you taking it so well lol, we need more new members like you :)
     
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    Just one more very very quick question. I recently bought astrologie.co.uk
    I know that the English word for it is astrology. But it's probably the closest to it and also it's called like this in many languages. When i'm checking on estibot
    it values it for £12000. I guess it's far off but is it worth buying domains like this? I have another: dalmata.co.uk It's also been valued for £21000.
    Is there any point using these value sites?
    Btw thanks for all the advice and warm welcome so far...
     
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    Completely ignore sites like Estibot and other associates sites that are powered by Estibot, automated tools like that give wildly varying and inaccurate valuations. If you do a forum search you'll see that site mentioned numerous times like this:

    http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/search.php?searchid=2670462

    The only way to get a true valuation if from a human, rather than a machine, I see you have that domain on Domainlore, I would be very surprised if it sold at all, it may be spelt that way in other languages but, that doesn't hold any water as far as .uk registrations go, you would after all be offering the domain to a UK audience, not a foreign one.
     
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    The first Estibot valuation is out by exactly £12000 and the second by £21000... As others have pointed out, it's a worthless way of measuring the value of a domain name (and especially in .co.uk - if it was Astrologie.com it would have value because that would work for French, etc.)
     
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    See you have put up for auction Astrologie.co.uk (paid for bold promotion upgrade) and GardenFurnitures.co.uk on Domainlore.

    Good luck, but on a serious note, I saw them earlier before reading the thread and they both stick out like sore thumbs being non uk spelling and the s on the end.

    Why not only purchase domains using your profits from now on?
     
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