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Lyons report finally published!

Discussion in 'Nominet General Information' started by martin-s, Feb 4, 2016.

  1. martin-s United Kingdom

    martin-s Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. Lots of reading ahead, clearly!
     
  4. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Sir Michael Lyons tells .uk registry Nominet: Time to grow up
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/05/michael_lyons_tells_nominet_grow_up/

    Some great material in the article, and the last couple of paragraphs in the end resonated strongly with me.

    Of course, Nominet are going to take no more notice of this article than they will of consultation responses that didn't suit their party line, or of the report itself. It's baffling how tone-deaf they are, but that's where things stand...
     
  5. Kari

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    I find it funny that anyone actually thought the report would make Nominet change their ways

    Perfect example of heads up backsides lol
     
  6. SecNam

    SecNam Moderator Staff Member

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    Totally agree, Nominets board have to big of an ego to listen to what is right and needs to be changed. Its like being back 4-5 year ago and now we are back to square 1.
     
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    It's not ego. It's money.
     
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    True and that aswel.
     
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    Ane its Easy Street work too.
     
  10. spiderspider

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    I've only skim read the report and noms response. I think most of it goes like this:

    Report: You really should be doing this.....

    Response: Well, we're doing it how we always have, and thats ok with us. We don't need to do what you have recommended as we're bloody fantastic, and know much better than any report that we have commissioned, so completed and closed for that recommendation.


    Did anyone else expect to see under member engagement something like 'We have a NED who bangs our drum on the domain forums for us'?
     
  11. RobM

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    Personally I'd fire the lot of them. Replace them at a fair wage for the job. No bonuses. No way to skim the pot under the radar. Then if they are no good... fire them... get someone else. That's how it works in a NON PROFIT COMPANY. These people are all just pigs at a trough and it's blatently apparent who they are screwing to continue stuffing their faces. (fully expecting one of the wannabes now to leap to their defence).
     
  12. Edwin

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    The real problem is that Nominet is plainly dissatisfied with doing the one thing it's supposed to do.

    You could argue that's because it's safe, boring, repetitive. Not challenging enough to keep the most highly skilled staff. There are a lot of arguments to be made, and many of them have some degree of validity.

    But at the end of the day none of them matter so long as Nominet is able to keep a core skillset to keep the UK namespace running safely, reliably and securely.

    They could probably achieve that with 1/2 to 2/3 of the current staff and budget (basically rewinding the clock 4-5 years).

    Of course they'd be a "stagnant" organisation with little or no growth, but that ought to be OK because they'd be still fulfilling their purpose to perfection.

    The fact that it's not enough for them is where things start to come off the rails.
     
  13. RobM

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    A person serving a burger at McDonald's has one purpose - to serve you food. If he doesn't want to serve food for a living he finds another job. This logic should apply to nominet. However to be the same I guess the story should be:
    A person serves a burger at a restaurant (provided for him to work in). He has not invested a single penny to set up the company. He earns 10 times the wage of anyone else serving a burger. He also thinks that extra money should be used to sell shoes in the same restaurant. If nobody buys the shoes he continues to receive the same money. Some people who order burgers no longer get a burger to a reasonable standard and don't care about shoes. However there is nowhere else that *might* give them a burger so he decides to double the price (hoping that he can start earning 20 times the wage of anyone else). Somehow the server believes he should decide who does and doesn't get one and what other things to serve at this restaurant. The solution? Kick his backside out. He is nothing special to justify his money and clearly knows nothing as well as obviously not caring about his customer. It is not HIS restaurant and there are plenty of people who could replace him. This benefits the consumer as there is no money to be passed onto anyone else so the restaurant doesn't NEED to make extra money. Burgers are priced to cover the cost of ingredients, the staff (who work for the going rate), and overheads.
     
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  14. ian

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    Imagines David flipping burgers with great delight

    ;)
     
  15. Kari

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    Agreed
     
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    Since you're posting about it, Paul, in your opinion what specifically in the Lyons report is it that the Board is not listening to that you believe is right and needs to be changed?
     
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    Change what ways exactly, MVO? Members should be seeing much more member engagement as a result fairly soon, for example. I'm looking forward to that.

    When ever a report is commissioned there isn't an expectation that every single element of it will be implemented to the letter. Many Nominet member are aware of this such was the case with previous reports including this fairly recent one, for example.
     
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    Please answer your own question

    Why don't you answer your own question.

    What do you think the Board is not listening to etc. and what do you believe needs to be changed?

    Stephen
     
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    WARNING: David's up to his tricks again. Be aware. Don't get sucked into responding to him rather than the point of the thread, and don't let him derail this one! Just ignore him. Otherwise it's just another dead thread he's killed...

    (This needs no response otherwise I've done the same thing.)
     
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  20. Stephen United Kingdom

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    100% ignored and trampled over their concerns

    .. sadly too late me as Nominet has simply ignored and obstructed every effort to engage and simply I have had enough.

    Nominet is on such a course and has such an attitude of knowing best and does not seek, want any other viewpoints.

    Nominet was provided with a list of members sufficient to call an EGM about pricing and it has 100% ignored and trampled over their concerns.

    Even if Nominet ticks some boxes and holds a few meetings and sets up a special email address, I feel it is now futile to engage with Nominet and to get real engagement it is not the opportunity of communication it is requires the members to spend their own time and to do that they need to feel it is worth the effort.

    Stephen
     
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    There are no tricks. I've directly replied to posts in this thread so no derailment, not that there has ever any deliberate intention by me to derail. I'm happy for those I've responded to, and anyone else, to email me privately if they prefer but that shouldn't preclude me from reasoned debating on a forum.
     

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