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Discussion in 'Nominet Tag Holders' started by Whois-Search, Jul 25, 2006.

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  1. Whois-Search United Kingdom

    Whois-Search Well-Known Member

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    What are the rules on Nominet employees becoming TAG holders or Nominet members ?

    I see Mike Penman (Nominet mediator) just got a TAG today:

    GOODNESS-SNAKES - Mr Michael Andrew Marsh Penman

    http://www.nominet.org.uk/tag/becometagholder/taglist/

    What if he started dropping catching using the DAC or registering typos ?
     
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    ...Also, I wonder if he got an employee discount… 10% - 25% - 50% - 100% - ??? ;)

    ...:shock:
     
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    Most competitions state that no employee or family member can enter, don't know if Nominet would apply same rules.

    "Oops I accidentally seem to have hit the prenom drop button and caught all the domains" :)
     
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    http://www.nic.uk/tag/becometagholder/obtaintag/

    Anyone can become a tag holder just as anyone can become a Nominet member. Nominet does not dictate who can and cannot become one or other.

    What if the world ended tomorrow? :rolleyes:

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    What if you answered the question for once instead thinking you know best?
     
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    1) What does drop catching got to do with anything? As long as there is not unfair advantage given (such as having a server directly connected to the Automaton Servers!) then what's the problem?

    2) Any domain he registers would be subject to the exact same terms and conditions that your domains are. As such he could be DRS'd the same as anyone else.


    We'd all be dead so it would stop all the conspiracy theories :mrgreen:
     
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    So your suggesting that no-one who works for Nominet, shouldn't be allowed to own a domain name? :confused:

    You seem to be acting and prosecutor, judge and jury here.

    Ever heard of "Innocent until proven Guilty" ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent_until_proven_guilty

    Your links are completely irrelevant. In those cases the rules were (allegedly) broken and unfair advantage taken. In the situation you are suggesting (with no reason to believe it has or will do) then UNLESS unfair advantage is somehow obtained then what is the problem??

    If you can prove that there is actually a Conflict of Interest then by all means let us know and complain to Nominet. If all you have are what ifs then as Jac was pointing out, life is full of what ifs:

    What if Nominet's servers all blow up and the backups get corrupted?
    What if a freak storm wipes out the UK?
    etc etc
     
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    It could be construed as a conflict of interest but only if a problem arises.
     
  11. fred United Kingdom

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    Which is more or less what I was trying to say. :mrgreen:
     
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    Fred

    I don't know who you are, but I am grateful to see a reasonable voice raised on this board for once. Kudos to you and keep being reasonable.... someone has to be.

    For the sake of clarity: there is no unfair advantage in a Nominet employee being a Tag Holder too. The same rules and regulations (and Tag Holder Agreement) apply. Every tag holder is treated equally whether they register just 1 name or 1 million and whether they are the Prime Minister or a Nominet employee.

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    Why don't you stop asking ludicrous questions?

    By the by, it's not that I know best; it's just that I know the facts; and they don't cease to exist because you and all the other conspiracy theorists on this board ignore them.

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    Nominet is not the Government, it is a private company limited by guarantee. It is not subject to the same rules that government ministers and officials are supposed to abide by. It is subject to Company Law (in English Law).

    If this really bothers you so much then stand for the Nominet board as a non-executive. You have a right to do so as a Nominet member. If you get elected this may show you 2 things. One; that the board has to abide by said Company Law and two; that the board has to operate in the interests of the company first and foremost. It has a fiduciary duty to do so. It is not Enron.

    There is no conspiracy.

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    Don't Worry, I was going to anyway......... also going to stand at every PAB election !
     
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    Make sure you have a good stock of aspirin. ;)

    Regards
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    Normally i aint bothered about any of this....

    ...but in this case internal employees getting TAGs seems a bit odd. I can just understand that all people are treated equally etc etc but this assumes that he/she has no access to whois records and the whois database.

    Currently we're restricted to 1000 lookups a day which for anyone envolved they know how valuable this database can be.

    Nominet's business is domain names i would assume anyone who worked for nominet would need some type of access to the database. Are you saying your support staff can only answer 1000 calls a day max?

    as said before most examples of this, internal staff are not allowed to participate in what ever activity the company is evolved in - the national lottery for example - staff are not allowed to play (i wonder how much yearly bonus they get to make it worth while ;) ) and 99% of all companies normally make you sign a contract saying you will not be associated with a similar or conflicting business. You don’t let boat builders build there own because you know they're going to nick all the materials from the place of work. Normally if some breaks this agreement the intellectual rights and assets become the property of the employer.

    this arrangement seems very odd

    Can nominet ensure that internal members with TAGs or even domain owners do not and did not have access to data that would give them an unfair advantage?

    where’s the job application forms ;)
     
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    Access to mail server addresses.
    Access to domain databases.
    Access to close computers (assuming he uses the canteen computer during lunchtime breaks)
    Access to all the tips and tricks.
    Close knowledge of any ownership/control/legal changes planned for domains.
    Knowledge of gossip e.g. the board with all the prenoms on it.
    Gossip about non-randomness or implementation of new software that might make them all drop within a 10 minute period.
    Gossip about mail server changes, relocations, etc etc.

    No advantages I can see . . .:rolleyes:

    -aqls-
     
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    no response? - good luck mr penman (do you live near MK?) :D
     
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    I agree with you AQLS, particularly knowledge of pending changes (or bugs in their systems) would give them an advantage.
     
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    Fred and Jac,

    I actually asked "What are the rules on Nominet employees becoming TAG holders or Nominet members".

    I never said they shouldn't be allowed to register domain names.

    Ok Mike Penman is only a legal mediator with a TAG.

    However what if someone like Jay Daley (I.T. Director) decided to do dropcatching to make some extra cash? What would people say then . . .

    If it wasn't for Nominet members like me asking questions then the PAB would have no policy to write :)

    Then again maybe if the PAB went on the Payroll maybe the same rules would have to apply to them.

    Andrew
     
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