I'm surprised no ones started a thread about the 4th october update yet, unless I've missed it, but just wondered how people have faired - have you been whalloped by a fishy flipper? I had 2 sites that were earning good money, they both got slapped a bit on the previous update (page 1 to page 2), this time they're gone, nowhere to be seen. I've tried a little trick and got rankings back on page 1 for one site (where I was before the previous (was it August?) update), so I've tried the same trick with site no.2 - will see if it works again and if it sticks. Anyone else had any joy with getting sites back apart from going through the old disavow links nightmare?