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Discussion in '.UK Domain Name Consultations' started by Marcoose, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member

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    I think it's about 4,000 members. Here's the current list (the old page is 404 but I managed to find this one) http://www.nominet.org.uk/whoweare/structure/members/list-members

    If I had to guess - and it would be no more than that - I'd say perhaps 250-300 members are domain investors and perhaps the same again are registrars (with some overlap) and the rest are organisations that joined Nominet to have internal control over their domain name portfolios for greater security and accountability, web development firms, etc.

    However (and this is a BIG difference) the registrars have perhaps 90%+ of the voting power because it's based on domains-on-tags and of course the big registrars have hundreds of thousands each.

    If somebody has any better figures, I'm all ears - not suggesting my guess is particularly accurate.
     
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    Like L'Oreal perhaps? Take skincare.co.uk (amongst other generics they have). It'll be interesting to see if Corporates like this are able to replicate their generic portfolios, even partially!
     
  5. Edwin

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    2880'ish members of Nominet as of the AGM in April, roughly will be about that figure according to my data on voting rights.
     
  7. tifosi United Kingdom

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    Even with the cap on voting rights if the top 3 fanboy registrars vote the same way then it's a fait accompli.
     
  8. GreyWing

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    It is complicated mate, technically they are limited to capped to 3%. So 3*3%=9% in theory. There are other brands of course under those three big boys so you could be right, not sure.

    If they did squash it with 3 big boys then that is effectively saying that the UK internet is under the control of 3 big boys. That equally won't look good for Nominet in the eyes of the Government.

    I still think it is in everyone's interests not to try and get board level conflict with Nominet, that is still the aim of everyone. So just trying to answer your question in theory rather than say what anyone needs to do to cause conflict, if you get what I mean. Voting rights are very complicated.

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    I'm doing articles on sites that will lose out if these changes go ahead. I'd be grateful if anyone knows of any to fill in the form on the page. The bigger the better and there are some big ones already.

    http://www.that.co.uk/business/known-victims.html
     
  9. foz

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    Via email. Posting in case you did not receive it.

    Direct.uk consultation update - dates for the diary.

     
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    Whenever you're ready, Bailey... :)
     
  12. tifosi United Kingdom

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    Read:

    I can't believe that this proposal will not go ahead just because of a few dissenting voices, even from the business community. This is an executive board level decision - with probable government pre-approval - and to not go ahead would mean a lot of positions untennable.

    Will it affect the rest of the .uk namespace. Almost certainly, but not to the level that a lot of the apocalyptic doom-mongers here are saying. Really depends on implementation. If its as loose as the .eu implementation then everyone is in for a world of pain, and Nominet more so when a significantly higher proportion of .uk domains are warehoused and prices skyrocket (including .co.uk as the 'viable' business alternative). If it's implemented like the olden-days pre-noms with the electronic version of application/vetting/authority AND no-resale then it may work.

    As it is this is a disaster waiting to happen. The business community - with countless 100,000 of businesses built on goodwill and pr/marketing - haven't really got wind of this yes. When they do a few FAQ's aren't going to save them if a few of the big boys with non-trademarkable domains - remember the rules for trademarking words etc - will have the scent of blood in the air!
     
  13. foz

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    The current .uk FAQ's don't mention the fact that competing applicants will most likely go to auction and pay a significant price.

    Thats a rather big omission.
     
  14. rhaigh

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    Good point. If it does have governmental approval, then
    i'd imagine that this would be fairly easy to check?
     
  15. tifosi United Kingdom

    tifosi Well-Known Member

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    What makes you say that?
     
  16. rhaigh

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    Because governments tend to have meetings, and record
    their actions and intentions. Certainly, the release of .uk
    isn't a matter of national security, so any agreement or
    understanding should be in the public domain...
     
  17. tifosi United Kingdom

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    Ah, bless. I used to be that green and naive. Many, many, moons and several careers ago!
     
  18. afx Thailand

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  19. rhaigh

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    Do you suspect "foul play"?
     
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    This is simply a re-branding of the business uk name space, nothing more nothing less, and while it should be inconceivable to even think about doing it, they have cloaked the realities by bringing in the security issue.


    once upon a time people could leave the front door of their home open and no uninvited visitors would enter, that of course changed with time, and so with the internet, as it grows more focus on security is necessary.
    But none of that hides the fact to me that what nominet is doing is a

    Re-Branding of the uk business namespace

    and in 10 years time people will say what was the .co.uk extension.
     
  21. rhaigh

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    And what do I know about you AFX?

    And why would you even need to "know where
    i'm coming from" unless you wanted to use
    that against me in some way.

    I'm just a bloke on a forum - challenge me on
    what i'm saying, if you don't want to look
    insecure and 'needy'...
     
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