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Discussion in 'Nominet General Information' started by AssetDomains, Mar 13, 2014.

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  1. Hazel Pegg

    Hazel Pegg Active Member

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    Indulge an idiot and tell me what 'the penguin thing' is? A sentence or hyperlink will suffice.
     
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  3. martin-s United Kingdom

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  4. Murray

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    I wonder what % of .com auction buys are end users and what % are domainers though.

    The trouble with auctions is you have to know about them.

    Occasionally I'm sure companies are happy that a domainer has sat on a domain for them and priced off competition, because if they're coming to buy it in 2014 then they would of had no chance in 2008 when it dropped and was auctioned off and sold to someone who would never sell it.

    In that case the end user with the deepest pockets wins, as it would of been at auction all being fair and future non yet existent parties being involved :p
     
  5. monaghan United Kingdom

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    If these expired domains are valuable and the private drop catchers are not the right sales channel then surely it would be better for them to be sold via Nominet and raise further revenue for the Nominet Trust rather than lining the pockets of a different set of Nominet members? We're not really addressing the issue, just moving the cash from one set of members to another.

    Why not remove from the TAG at 90 days instead of deletion from the register, put them on auction at www.NominetAuctions.UK for 30 days and take the cash away from all members, not selected members who don't have the ear of the decision makers!
     
  6. Retired_Member38

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    I'd far rather Nominet auctioned them - I've mentioned that before. It seems stupid for Nominet to just let someone else hoover up this excess cash.

    I don't really care who auctions them though, as long as they're auctioned. Too many times I've seen domains drop that are worth a few hundred £... someone catches them and they appear (or maybe disappear into would be a fairer phrase!) in a portfolio listed for £2k+... so nobody ever properly uses it.
     
  7. Stephen United Kingdom

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    fixed price?

    I think under the current system it was possible for somebody who really wanted a .co.uk domain, to go around and register with lots of drop catches and obtain the domain at a fixed price.

    That option will go, unless the big registrars change there business model to accommodate fixed price?

    So I don't think it is, just moving the money around.

    I believe Nominet should have set up a form of reservation system for dropping names for those with a legitimate claim on the name, so avoiding drop catchers and big registrars taking a chunk of money for something that clearly should belong to an organization, if it was uncontested.
     
  8. monaghan United Kingdom

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    You can't ensure a domain is in use just because it is sold at auction rather than caught by a private catcher as an investment.
     
  9. Retired_Member38

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    If someone has a legitimate claim to a domain then the DRS option was open to them - they didn't even need to wait on it dropping.

    If they couldn't have DRS'd it then they arguably don't have a right over anyone else to grab it when it does drop surely?
     
  10. grantw United Kingdom

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    You only need to look at namejet to see that a large amount of the auctioned domains go to resellers. The domains then appear for sale, often at a much larger inflated rate due to the inflated cost of purchase. Most regular people don't understand what happens with dropping domains and don't even know they're at auction, UK auctions would more than likely go the same way.

    Grant
     
  11. Retired_Member38

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    I think the ones with real value will be far more likely to end up in the hands of an end user - and that can only be a good thing for the UK internet space as a whole surely.
     
  12. invincible

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    What so you mean by "real value"? Do you mean "high monetary value"? Everyone's definition of value is surely different and will be different for every domain name. Also I'm not sure if you are suggesting that in your opinion the domain names with "real value" will be far more likely to end up in the hands of end users as a *direct result* of registrars auctioning these domain names *directly to them* or something else?

    Many domain names of value already end up in the hands of end users because those that invest in domain names often sell them to such. What seems obvious to me is that there will be far more domain name investors participating in domain name auctions than there ever will be end users ready and waiting to participate themselves. One only has to look at the Nominet single and two digit&character domain name auctions to see that the vast majority of those were won by domain name investors.

    I certainly believe that end users will participate in these auctions but in my opinion it seems unlikely that there will be droves of appropriate end users becoming aware of when relevant domain names are on auction by registrars and so lining up to bid themselves. End users don't usually proactively look for domain names and they won't constantly watch the auctions so won't know when relevant domain name lots might be on auction. Domain name investors will know and therefore in my opinion it seems likely that they will still be the ones selling to end users on most occasions. There are plenty of domain name investors with deep enough pockets to bid on the very best domain names that will be on auction.
     
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  13. Retired_Member38

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    Paragraphs!!!!

    I'm saying if (to use a completely random example) if something high value like custard.co.uk dropped currently, it might end up caught by Denys then priced at way more than a realistic market price for it is. So it ends up never really used.

    If a domain registrar is allowed to grab it and auction it off before it drops, I think its more likely that it ends up bought by someone who actually plans to do something worthwhile with it. Domainers aren't likely to be able to pay to end user prices so its not going to fall into a portfolio to be never seen again.
     
  14. invincible

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    When exactly do you consider that custard.co.uk is "more likely that it ends up being bought by someone who actually plans to do something worthwhile with it" and why? At these auctions? If so then please see what I responded with previously and why I disagree with that. :) There are domainers with deep enough pockets to spend on valuable domain names and I cited an example of that too :)

    I've added some paragraphs above. :)
     
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    Makes sense.
     
  16. invincible

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    It doesn't because he hasn't explained *when* he believes that will occur.
     
  17. Brassneck United Kingdom

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    Makes sense to me too!
     
  18. invincible

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    So go on, explain why it makes sense to you (and webs away) rather than me tooing. :)
     
  19. Retired_Member38

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    Because domainers will eventually have cashflow problems if they keep paying £xxxx (or more) for good quality domains that dropped and were then auctioned. Sure they might buy some... but a lot more should go from the auction straight to legitimate end users.

    Its one thing to load a list of domains into your catching script... its another ball game to pony up £5k or whatever to add it to your portfolio.
     
  20. Brassneck United Kingdom

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    It makes sense because the vast majority of domain name investors want to either drop catch or buy things dirt cheap before slapping a big price tag on it. You seldom see domain investors paying £XXXX for a name with a view to sell for higher £XXXX.

    As soon as (custard.co.uk) starts going into the £XXX, most domain investors will back off if they don't have 1) An immediate use or 2) An end user in mind. In my experience, domain investors want the quick and easy profits. Not big investment for big return.

    Don't under estimate the marketing power of the big registrars also. Who knows how they'll market their options. They might be spamming existing end users to come and check out the auction. There are also a lot of end user buyers who monitor domains dropping that they want to use. I frequently get mailed by end users when I drop catch a domain because they want it and have missed it etc.
     
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