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Discussion in 'The Bar' started by dougs, Mar 15, 2020.

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  1. diablo

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    Sorry, an extract follows, but it is basically saying heart attack hospital admissions are way down.

    "The hospitals are eerily quiet, except for Covid-19.

    I have heard this sentiment from fellow doctors across the United States and in many other countries. We are all asking: Where are all the patients with heart attacks and stroke? They are missing from our hospitals.

    Yale New Haven Hospital, where I work, has almost 300 people stricken with Covid-19, and the numbers keep rising — and yet we are not yet at capacity because of a marked decline in our usual types of patients. In more normal times, we never have so many empty beds.

    Our hospital is usually so full that patients wait in gurneys along the walls of the emergency department for a bed to become available on the general wards or even in the intensive care unit. We send people home from the hospital as soon as possible so we can free up beds for those who are waiting. But the pandemic has caused a previously unimaginable shift in the demand for hospital services.

    Some of the excess capacity is indeed by design. We canceled elective procedures, though many of those patients never needed hospitalization. We are now providing care at home through telemedicine, but those services are for stable outpatients, not for those who are acutely ill.

    What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared. Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle. This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction."

    Same is happening in Spain.

    The punchline is that if people don't seek treatment, they are more likely to die.

    https://www.recintervcardiol.org/es/?option=com_content&view=article&id=344&catid=14

    "A significant reduction in healthcare activity was observed during the COVID-19 epidemic and a great decrease in the number of patients treated with STEMI, with the risk of increased morbidity and mortality that this implies. Scientific societies and health authorities should promote that patients with STEMI-compatible symptoms demand assistance from the health system in order to receive reperfusion treatment appropriately."
     
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  3. diablo

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    New claims for Universal Credit benefit hit 1.2m in three weeks amid coronavirus outbreak

    Around 1.2 million people have made claims for Universal Credit (UC) in the last three weeks amid the coronavirus outbreak.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey added the number of new claims had fallen to just under 40,000 in a day, although this compared to an average daily figure of between 10,000 to 12,000.

    She confirmed the numbers after the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) revealed calls to the UC helpline soared beyond two million on March 30 and totalled 5.8 million over a seven-day period.

    The DWP also earlier said it received more than one million claims for UC between March 16 and April 3.

    This compares to approximately 55,000 claims "in a normal week", according to the department's permanent secretary Peter Schofield. - Source



    And this hasn't even started yet. There are 5.9m SMEs in the UK - how many of these will run out of cash in the next couple of weeks? How many already have? A pub owner I know will run out of cash next week.

    Don't think this isn't going to effect you. This is going to be the Great Depression on steroids.

    92% of the people claimed to have died 'with' CV are 60yo+ and 52% are 80yo+ (average life expectancy is about 81). These are roughly the same for during any period.

    Surely it makes sense to put anyone say 70+ under house arrest instead of everyone.

    Where is the media reporting on what's happening, and going to happen within a few days and weeks? Instead they're saying 9 more emergency hospitals are being built? WTF...on one hand they're saying there aren't enough staff to run current hospitals (though that's BS from what I have been told) and some hospitals are reporting being 'quiet'.
     
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  5. diablo

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    BBC ran this related story yesterday.

    Coronavirus: 'Drop in global trade to be worse than 2008 crisis'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52211919

    [​IMG]
     
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    Good!

    East seasonal and well, shop local, don't go on 10 holidays a year, end needless purchases, look after your health..

    The world has needed this correction for quite a while.
     
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    Half a billion people were already in poverty lol. I think we're all in the good game here, digital services will see a massive increase if anything with people turning to online shops to run their businesses.
     
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    You never read it properly, half a billion MORE.
     
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    I know it was discussed early on in the thread, but if you haven't yet start getting healthier

    Eat better

    Take some vitamins if you think you need them; especially vitamin D if you're in the UK which you will probably be low in since you can't get it from October-March, preferably 3000iu daily but 1000+ at least

    Exercise even if its just a fast paced walk, get your lungs working, get your cardio vascular system more tuned so your bodies use of oxygen is more efficient

    Do your body a favour
     
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    Yeah, and that online shop will be called amazon.

    If you're looking for businesses that will take off I'd say look for those offering home security systems...security fencing...that sort of thing.
     
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    All from the same business or across different virticals ? scary figures regardless. Currently I've seen an up tick in some areas, some uncertainty in others but probably won't know the full conciquences until month 2 or 3 when the closed businesses will start to assess their budgets. Currently I've had 1 business panic and ask for a pause on a campaign for a few months, but to be honest that business its quite justifiable as its a beauty salon who obviously can't work or come in contact with people, Luckily it was a low value customer from a retainer perspective.

    My wifes employer to date has refused to furlough her due to being off work to look after the out of school little one, they are revewing the situation this week but in my mind that bridge has burnt so im in the process of setting up a business for my wife to run ( one that ive been meaning to do for her for a few years ). I think many will be in similar situations and there will be a surge of new start ups and home workers as a result.

    In a weird way, it may actually turn the tide and attitudes to many businesses working with people who have built a business from home offices and remotely. I've been fortunate over the last 14 years but there is still a stigma attached to businesses with no brick and mortar roots. I think that will change drastically now.
     
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    I was thinking sensor taps, sensor doors, sensor toilet flushes etc.
     
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    Plus our asserts are essentially outside the pound.
    Crazy things is that they lose health care when they lose their jobs. Double whammy. In the US, the lock down will undoubtedly cost more lives than the virus as people also die from other illnesses with no health cover.
     
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    Hospitals in the US get $13k for every patient they classify as CV 19 - which rises to $39k if they put them on a ventilator.

    And are encouraged to put CV 19 as cause of death, even if it didn't contribute -
     
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    Weirdly, was looking at figures for New York today on this very subject.

    Prices vary by hospital, but what you say with regards prices roughly matches. There is a tariff of under 4 days of ventilator support and it's $33,000, but if four or more days of ventilator support it rises to $74,000. So better to keep them on for four days or more!

    Boris Johnson is in St Thomas, one of the few hospitals in the UK to have an ECMO which not only does the job of your lungs, but your heart too.

    In the States, Medicare pay hospitals $242,000 per patient for a go on an ECMO. There's around 300 of them across US hospitals. I believe there are six within the NHS.
     
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    Today's figures from the UK saw covid-19-related deaths rise by 881.

    News programmes running with this headline figure without mentioning NHS England recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus - 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April. So that 936 figure is grossly misleading as doesn't cover 24 hour period..

    Few more stats for you all:

    March 2017 deaths in the UK 48,662
    March 2018 deaths in the UK 51,229
    March 2019 deaths in the UK 43,946
    March 2020 deaths in the UK 43,790
     
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    Having had the misfortune to be aware of the new digital death registrations and lags, the 'normal' lag of several days is currently being exacerbated due to the new circumstances.

    There is no cover up, it is a system adjusting so if and when huge numbers are processed it can cope.

    Plus there is the human element to it, with work from home stuff on those who do the admin.
     
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