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Wayback machine Rebuilds

Discussion in 'General Board' started by Robert Smith, Jul 18, 2020.

  1. Fred Steven Cyprus

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    I have several hundred of these sites with content most from wayback, some I put a new site up after a while, I have never had a complaint re copyright and I do very well from it, a few sites get over 100k uniques a day :), wayback is also a mine for other content, I have a travel blog which has over 22k very will written articles which I place onto different sites.:):):)
     
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  3. lazarus

    lazarus Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    I dont see what is legitimate about copying someone else's work?

    The copyright must belong to someone, never the public domain unless the person who holds the rights gives that permission.

    Because you are getting away with it, does not mean it's legitimate.

    I really don't see how this can be justified as something else. but open to be proved wrong.

    If copyright laws work in the way as some are suggesting then this would cause absolute widewide copyright chaos.
     
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  4. dazc United Kingdom

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    The fact that the coyright owner has let the domain lapse and not bothered to clean up any trace suggests that any subsequent claims are going to be few and far between?
     
  5. lazarus

    lazarus Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    True, but does that automatically give someone else the legitimate rights to use the content?
     
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  6. dazc United Kingdom

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    That's interesting although I'd be careful of broadcasting your game that's going to attract a copy-cat element.
     
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  7. dazc United Kingdom

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    No, it doesn't give someone a legitimate right. But, it's going to happen and, personally, I have bigger issues to get worked up about.

    At the end of the day, if someone doesn't want their content stolen then it's up to them to police this - just as if the original site was still live.

    Maybe registrars should warn people that dropping a domain doesn't erase all history of any site it was pointing to, which is what some people seem to believe?
     
  8. lazarus

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    Yes, it is up to them to police it and you personally may have bigger issues.
    But lets not get away from the fact, unless someone can prove me wrong... It's piracy.
     
  9. dazc United Kingdom

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    Not disagreeing with this, it is.
     
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  10. Fred Steven Cyprus

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    Here is a classic example this site dropped and somebody bought it on UKBO and reinstated the content from wayback, it was a great site and it would have been a shame for the content to disappear.. http://www.whoviannet.co.uk/
     
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    Love the copyright notice at the foot of every page....
     
  12. lazarus

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    It does not matter how you quantify it. Using someone elses content without permission to do so is still piracy.

    Unless someone can prove me wrong ?

    LOL
     
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    dee Well-Known Member Acorn Supporter

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    Definitely copyright infringment. John Lennon is dead.... but if you tried to pass of one of his songs as your own you'd last about three minutes before you had the estate on your back. Same thing, just not policed in same way.
     
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  14. Alien

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    I think of this similar to a 'physical world' situation, e.g:

    I buy the house at No. 5 Any Street. The house has been emptied of all belongings and I move my own stuff in. I also have the good fortune of retaining and transferring the existing landline telephone number to me for the house - 01234 567890.

    I notice on Google Maps that my new house used to have a builders sign up outside advertising an extremely successful/profitable business that's now been discontinued (retired/bankrupt/changed name - take your pick, etc). Also displayed on the sign was a useful little DIY building article (I'm told it was very popular by my new neighbours) and the house's tel. number 01234 567890.

    I decide to start-up as a sole trader builder, so I recreate the previous sign (exactly, same font, same text, everything...) and place it on my driveway, in the exact same location the previous sign was displayed - I do not ask the previous business/company for their permission and I do not tell them what I've done. I now profit and directly take lots of business/traffic/enquiries etc from the new sign, even though I'm passing my business off based on someone else's past success/presence/history etc.

    The above is wrong for many reasons.

    Or, am I looking at this too simplistically and the analogy is not valid? :)
     
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  15. dazc United Kingdom

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    Since your analogy involves becoming a builder, possibly not?
     
  16. JMI

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    Wildlifetrust on DL.. rebuilders dream come true.. totally unethical, I meen how could people be so thoughtless and commit such shocking crimes against humanity in a bid to make a living and pay a mortgage
     
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    If someone has to break copyright laws (if they don't get permission) to make a living, they shouldn't be in business. They wouldn't go taking things from people in person and calling it their own in real life, so they shouldn't do it online either.

    It's not really a defendable practise. Just makes anyone defending it look like they have no business acumen and untrustworthy. It brings a bad name to the industry when someone defends breaking copyright law because it's 'small' in their eyes.
     
  18. Derek Portugal

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    We were looking to pick this up for a client but now its already been pre-outed on Acorn before its even been used for anything we're going to leave it.

    I'm sure Darren Cunningham will be delighted you're wrecking his sales before they've even happened.
     
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    How has it been pre-outed or wrecking a sale?
     
  20. Derek Portugal

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    Because now you're all looking at it to see what it was going to be used for. Good domains will come up monthly so any with unwanted attention can just be passed over and we'll wait on another one.

    Maybe we're being over cautious but after watching Acorn out helptobuy and costing someone £40k I think its probably sensible to be more cautious.

    Clearly re-use of them is not within Google's rules so its all about managing risk/reward.

    If you guys keep outing domains for some giggles, don't be surprised when you run out of buyers for them.
     
  21. JMI

    JMI Active Member Acorn Supporter

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    Sounds like you've got quite a few thick clients then willing to pay over the odds for a bit of limited juice from expired crap.. nice work if you can get it.. and you can just "wait on another one", cos you got so much money and so much time and your so big and powerful and stong, and manly...
    and we're all Just clueless plebians to be loathed and squashed by the gods of seo... we get it David, now go tell someone who gives a shit.