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are domain names with a - in the name with popular as .co.uk and .com worth hand regging.

for example (just some random names) , bluegloves , if it had say 12000 exacts at 98p , if blue-gloves.co.uk was available is it worth regging ? is it just as likely to rank right next to bluegloves , or would the - kill it ?

whats the potential difference in price for just the domain name ? with a - in it with .co.uk and .com ?

the names would be generally used for mini sites etc.
 
They have some re-sale value if you can find an end user in that market. If you intend to build your own sites then you will be competing against possible well established sites without the -. Personally I wouldnt bother but if you can see a market?!


are domain names with a - in the name with popular as .co.uk and .com worth hand regging.

for example (just some random names) , bluegloves , if it had say 12000 exacts at 98p , if blue-gloves.co.uk was available is it worth regging ? is it just as likely to rank right next to bluegloves , or would the - kill it ?

whats the potential difference in price for just the domain name ? with a - in it with .co.uk and .com ?

the names would be generally used for mini sites etc.
 
Waste of time, just pretend that hyphens don't exist, that's what I do :cool:
 
They can be alright. I had a mid xxxx sale last year and high xxx sale ealier this year.
The site I have with the most traffic also has a hyphen.
 
Many domainers turn their noses up at hyphens.
I haven't noticed any problems getting them ranking for the two word combo.
 
I think for reselling the - devalues the domain a lot for re-sale but for ranking in search engines it doesn't matter too much
 
I think for reselling the - devalues the domain a lot for re-sale but for ranking in search engines it doesn't matter too much


Ahhh that sounds good , as it would be mainly for mini sites etc not really to resell the name at a later date..


so when you say it does'nt matter to much could you tell me a bit more please.
 
Many domainers turn their noses up at hyphens.
I haven't noticed any problems getting them ranking for the two word combo.

would you say , if equal effort was put into a hyphen and non hyphen version , both would rank almost or even equally ? for the same keyword phrase when put into google and yahoo ?
 
I've never tried a comparison and of course, you couldn't really do it as you'd need different content for each site to avoid a potential duplicate penalty, and with different content your ranking will be affected by your content.

This is what I think. Based on my experience and my research.

Domain names without dashes are best. Get them if you can.
I don't think anyone at Google has given any guidance about dashes and whether they affect rankings.
Too many dashes looks spammy.
Even one dash might mean people are less likely to visit.
My best performing domains don't use dashes, but i don't know if any real conclusions can be drawn from that.
You do see domains with dashes pperforming well in the rankings.
IF and its a big IF, domains with dashes are devalued by Goog, I would suggest that this is only one small factor amongst many and can be overcome by doing well in the other factors.

I do have a number of domains with dashes, where it's the best alternative to nondashed domains if they are already taken. My view is better to have good keywords and dashes than poor keywords and no dashes.

Just my views, others may disagree!
 
Vizzo , thank you for your advice , i like "My view is better to have good keywords and dashes than poor keywords and no dashes." that sounds like good advice to me.

thank you.
 
My experience is about the same as vizzo. As he said it's not possible to test.
I have about 100 sites with a range of dash, no dash and a few .org.uk

When buying domains my preference is

nodash.co.uk
a-dash.co.uk
nodash.org.uk

All depends though. Some words don't look that good together either and can even benefit from a dash for clarity.
Some sectors will suit a .org.uk better than others too.

My best performing site (money wise) has two dashes!
My second best performing site (traffic wise) has a dash.

Both of the above stats don't reflect the names though, they reflect the work I have put into them, the sector involved and some luck.

There maybe some disadvantages with dashes but if there are, they are small and can be overcome with good anchor text in links from relevant sites.
 
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Peacock , thank you for that , its helping me to have confidence in moving foreward with my ideas .

Just to be extreme about the dashes idea , just to gather a few extra thoughts....i know this is a copyright issue , but its just for example purposes .

lets pretend :- bbc.co.uk , if you had b-b-c.co.uk , which would look spammy etc , but would the search engine look upon that equally name wise as BBC ? i know content would come into play , but just for someone typing in BBC , i hope my example is relevent.
 
No hypen is always going to best, but as long as the tld is .co.uk it could be worth looking at.

Just ensure its worth doing i.e has a high number of exact searches
 
No hypen is always going to best, but as long as the tld is .co.uk it could be worth looking at.

Just ensure its worth doing i.e has a high number of exact searches

I know this is a .co.uk kinda place , but when it comes to .com's , are hyphens also okay , with your mentioning tld .co.uk it could be worth looking at?

is there a order for .coms

such as :-

.com
hyphen.com
.net ?????
hyphen.net ???

or is it a whole different ball game in that respect ?
 
Okay , just to be clear about this , sorry if i'm going on , this is my last question regarding this , but through the info provided on the posting , i've had a look on keyword tools , so for example.

white gold rings

whitegoldrings.com and .co.uk are taken.
white-gold-rings is taken.

but white-goldrings is not taken....

so i presume with the keyword tool , showing spaces for the key phrase" white gold rings"

white-gold-rings is taken and hyphened , because in keywords tools the phrase is entered into google search with spaces by the average user "white gold rings"

so does that make www.white-goldrings.co.uk and .com a bad reg over the already taken white-gold-rings.co.uk etc ? if keyword tools had shown the phrase " white goldrings" then i presume it would be a buy ?

its making sense but i guess this is a fine point , to helping it make real sense to me :)
 
I have repeatedly found that my domainname.org.uk names rank more easily than my domain-name.co.uk names, all else being equal (in so far as it can be). Are Google favouring the org.uk extension or penalizing the hyphen? I suspect the latter.

Several times I've also experimented using domains with exactly the same keywords and extension, the only difference being that one domain had a hyphen and the other did not. I've launched the sites at the same time and with similar (not duplicate) content. So far, in every case the non hyphen domain has ranked more easily and quickly than the hyphenated version and has maintained it's superior ranking through time.

It's usually not just a subtle difference either. The non-hyphen version often remains near the top of page one for the exact key phrase search, while the hyphen version festers away on page 20 or worse. This is especially noticeable with .coms, but also applies to the .co.uks I've tried it with.

This is just my experience and I admit that many other factors could be playing a part. However other, much more expert developers than I, have seen very much the same thing, as discussed frequently on SEO sites like Seomoz.org, Webmasterworld.com etc

From all my testing and research it seems pretty conclusive to me that Google gives a lot of weight to exact match domains (with no added characters or extra words like cheap, online etc.). Also from my tests I would say that the "exact match" advantage does NOT apply to names with hyphens, except perhaps where they are a grammatically correct part of the keyword. Mostly people don't include hyphens in their searches, and so a hyphen in the domain name is classed as an extra character, destroying the exact match bonus.

In addition my testing shows that this exact match bonus only benefits the tld extensions .com, .net and .org (not info, tv etc.) and each countries own main cc tlds, in our case only .co.uk and org.uk (not me.uk). A lot of other people's experiences back this up, but, of course only Google truly know how all this works and just exactly how these things affect domain ranking.

I know for a long time Google was said to ignore dashes in domain names and treat them equally to the non-dashed version. It was thought they might even favour dashed names because they were easier for the algorithms to read.

Today's ever more sophisticated search engine technology means that this is no longer the case. Google can read domain names easily, without the need for hyphens. In my experience they now give a powerful advantage to unhyphenated exact match domains, using the top domain extensions, over all other domain name options (hyphenated versions, lesser extensions, extra "padding" words).

This favouritism for exact match keyword domains without hyphens, could be seen as an algorithm bug, giving unfair advantage to sites based on their exactly appropriate name, rather than their content. But imagine what a mess the search results would be without it. For many small, or local, companies if their company name didn't benefit from this exact match bonus their site would easily be swamped by all the business directory sites, which would dominate the search results for that business name. This is especially so given the high page rank these directory sites have, and the lack of SEO knowledge seen in many small businesses.

Also I think Google assume that if you own exactkeywords.com or .co.uk you are very likely to be an authority site for "exact keywords", whereas with a site operating on cheap-keywords-online.com this is less likely. For these reasons, amongst others, I don't think Google will be giving up this exact match bonus anytime soon!

This gives a strong reason for preferring exact match keyword terms (no hyphens or weird extensions) when choosing domain names. Developers will pay for the extra authority these names give and the 'exact match bonus' and so these domains naturally command much higher prices, than the hyphenated versions, or those with extra words.

Having said all that, I still think that a good exact match domain name is only one building brick on the road to constructing a well ranked popular site. Google don't count this factor at all unless the site is developed to some extent. For example exact match domains that are simply parked, don't usually appear in SEs at all. Also work in other areas (better content, obtaining large numbers of high quality incoming links etc.) can overcome any shortcomings, like a hyphen, in the name. For quickly developed niche mini-sites however exact match domains are king! (for now at least!)

Just my 2p as an amateur website developer.
 
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so does that make white-goldrings .co.uk and .com a bad reg over the already taken white-gold-rings.co.uk etc ?

Sorry to say this is a bad example - Goldring is a trademark - they used to make hifi equipment in East London. One of those instances where the hyphen adds clarity ...
 
So I think Cuialien has a different order:

nodash.co.uk
nodash.org.uk
with-dash.co.uk
with-dash.org.uk

Crabfoot - I don't know the answer to your question. I have a few like that - 3 keywords but only one dash. They don't rank too well but there may be other factors, so would not want to draw conclusions.
 
wow , thank you all for a great insight and help with my question , Cuailean your very detailed reply based on trying out in the past , something i had been considering and wondering about , thank you for your past experinces.
 
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