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I'd imagine that many forum viewers have some kind of set top box (e.g. Sky+ HD, Virgin Media TiVo, YouView or something else). While all of these devices allow the user to record programmes, not many of them allow the user to copy the programmes off the hard drives *especially not in High Definition*.

I've made use of a setup for a while that has allowed me to record programming off set top boxes to a limit extent. Recently I decided to explore possible enhancements.

One needs 4 pieces of equipment to do what I have done.

1. Hauppauge HD PVR. The original model will suffice (that's what I own), however I have just placed an order for an HD PVR 2 (not either of the gaming editions). The original model has component inputs (you'll need those). The HD PVR 2 doesn't have component inputs directly on the device but instead comes with a cable which connects to the device, breaking the component inputs out via that. I've found the HD PVR 2 here for £99.99. It's not the gaming edition, despite the description stating "gaming" and comes with the require component A/V input cable. You may also pick up the original HD PVR on eBay for much less than this. I've ordered a HD PVR 2 because it supports 1080p, not just 1080i like the original HD PVR, and I'd like a spare! :)

2. An HDFury 2. The original HD Fury is no good so you need at least the 2. The 3 is also suitable but costs more. This device takes HDMI as an input, strips HDCP and outputs the video via component (an analogue non copy-protected cable that can carry HD) and the audio via optical. This device seems to currently retail new for about £126-£130, although check eBay for used models. You will also need a Mini TOS-Link to Optical cable (that's the pointy optical to the rounded optical). This should be under £10.

3. An HDMI splitter box and two extra HDMI cables in addition to the one you are already using to connect the set top box to the television. This splitter box connects to the HDMI out on the set top box, using an HDMI cable, and presents you with two HDMI outputs (A and B). Output A can connect to your television via HDMI and Output B can connect to the HDFury2. The HDFury2, in turn, connects to the HD PVR via the supplied VGA to Component adapter. One of these boxes can be found for no more than £25.

4. A High Performance Silex 4000U2 USB to Ethernet device server. This is optional, and I recently purchased this for £90 on Amazon. However I consider it almost mandatory because having it means I don't have to locate a computer near the set top box. I'd previously tried older Silex device servers but they didn't work. This is their newest and fastest device server and allows you to send the USB output of the HD PVR over Ethernet to a computer located elsewhere, rather than needing the computer to be connected directly to the HD PVR via USB2 (that's usually within 5 metres). I have not tried connecting the Silex to a WiFi bridge to see how it data transfer performs. WiFi may not be suitable.

These four pieces of equipment require 4 power sockets!

The software I am using is running on a Mac and costs $29.95. The HD PVR includes PC compatible software.

I have the set top box connected to the HDMI splitter box, with output A connected to my television and output B connected to the HDFury2. The HDFury2 converts the HDMI to component and optical. The component output is connected to the component input on the HD PVR and the optical output is connected to the optical input on the HD PVR. Finally the HD PVR is connected via USB2 cable to the Silex 4000U2 and an Ethernet cable is connected from the Silex 4000U2 to a local network switch.

I have installed the Silex SX Virtual Link software on a Mac and also the HDPVR Capture software. The Mac sees the HD PVR as a local USB2 device but over Ethernet and the HDPVR Capture software sees the HD PVR as a result. I can change the settings and even ask the capture software to convert the .m2ts into .mp4.

Many people use items 1, 2 and 3 together but to date I know of nobody who has added 4 to it allowing for the capturing computer to be located away from the location of the set top box. I am very pleased that this works because I am going to finish setting it up properly and shall hide it all away inside a cabinet where it won't be seen. I prefer this method to using a DVR with a hard drive inside because I prefer to have programming that I want to keep in .mp4 for storing on my NAS or copying into iTunes.

Good luck if you decide to give this a go yourself.
 
Yes, a very frustrating situation regarding the customised Virgin TIVO box. I was told that our US cousins can effectively buy these from the high street with all ports active. If this is so, I wonder if they would work in the UK if I imported one (putting the voltage issues to one side)?
 
Interesting post, thanks for sharing.

My personal setup is:

Windows home server with a quad tuner DVB-S2 sat card - http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs6984-dvb-s2-quad-tuner-pcie-card.html

I then use DVBLink Server, DVBLink Connect and DVBLink TV source to handle the TV backend.

At the front end I've got Acer Revo R3700's strapped to the back of the TV's and they run Windows Media Centre to watch live or and of the recorded shows. (Recorded shows are automatically moved back from the local Revo to the Windows Home Server so are available to all clients).

I've also got the iphone / ipad clients to watch the TV (live and recorded when away from home).
 
This splitter may do away with the need for HDfury.

Slot 3 and 4 do not carry HDCP, so (in theory) you should be able to connect directly with your HD PVR2 via HDMI

Only £27.00
Might be worth a punt.
http://mercianmedia.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/how-to-send-hdcp-encrypted-signals-to-non-hdcp-devices/

Wow, if that really works then it's terribly cheap for HDMI in > HDCP removal > HDMI out. The only device I am aware of that can do that is an HDFury4 (a.k.a. 3DFury) with a modified firmware. Otherwise one seems to need to convert to Component / separate audio.

Yes, a very frustrating situation regarding the customised Virgin TIVO box. I was told that our US cousins can effectively buy these from the high street with all ports active. If this is so, I wonder if they would work in the UK if I imported one (putting the voltage issues to one side)?

I don't believe it is possible to use anything other than Virgin Media branded equipment on their network, so one cannot simply source a DOCSIS cable modem off the shelf and use it instead of a Superhub for example. The Virgin Media branded TiVo is the only TiVo that I believe will work over here on Virgin Media's cable network (and it's the only one with 3 tuners, I believe).

Interesting post, thanks for sharing.

My personal setup is:

Windows home server with a quad tuner DVB-S2 sat card - http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs6984-dvb-s2-quad-tuner-pcie-card.html

I then use DVBLink Server, DVBLink Connect and DVBLink TV source to handle the TV backend.

At the front end I've got Acer Revo R3700's strapped to the back of the TV's and they run Windows Media Centre to watch live or and of the recorded shows. (Recorded shows are automatically moved back from the local Revo to the Windows Home Server so are available to all clients).

I've also got the iphone / ipad clients to watch the TV (live and recorded when away from home).

That quad tuner DVB-S2 card looks interesting. I've got a single tuner DVB-S2 card that also does analogue terrestrial and DVB-T (but not DVB-T2). I presume it is only possible for you to get Free To Air satellite channels, from which ever satellite(s) you can align your dish(es) at? I don't believe anyone has managed to get a UK Sky subscription card to work in a CAM without their set top box reliably, but if you know of it working reliably then I'd be interested to know more!
 
That quad tuner DVB-S2 card looks interesting. I've got a single tuner DVB-S2 card that also does analogue terrestrial and DVB-T (but not DVB-T2). I presume it is only possible for you to get Free To Air satellite channels, from which ever satellite(s) you can align your dish(es) at? I don't believe anyone has managed to get a UK Sky subscription card to work in a CAM without their set top box reliably, but if you know of it working reliably then I'd be interested to know more!

Have you seen the massive threads over at - http://www.avforums.com/threads/howto-sky-through-dvb-s-card-within-mce-part-4.1632373/
 
From looking through much of that thread, all I seem to need is a £20 Omnikey 3121 card reader and then to set up various pieces of software. I can give that a try. Unfortunately it seems Sky have managed to block HD channels working without using their set top boxes. Correct?


(from iPhone)
 
From looking through much of that thread, all I seem to need is a £20 Omnikey 3121 card reader and then to set up various pieces of software. I can give that a try. Unfortunately it seems Sky have managed to block HD channels working without using their set top boxes. Correct?
(from iPhone)

From my understanding entitlements should be updated via oscam if setup correctly and only get nuked if you move the card back into skyHD box.
 
From my understanding entitlements should be updated via oscam if setup correctly and only get nuked if you move the card back into skyHD box.


What about if one has always had their card in a SkyHD box? One of the newer Amstrads.


(from iPhone)
 
I think we are going to see a lot more of these in the near future.

"hdcp" compliant on the label but perhaps not in reality. :D
I wonder what costs more to manufacture? :rolleyes:

What's Sony or the likes going to do? raise an action in China :confused:


I remember years ago buying a macrovision busting scart cable.
Same old.




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