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GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Forgive me Sean, but where you even at the AGM?

Lucien Taylor · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
Is sarcasm the best you lads have got?

OK Sean. Apart from the general and personal, is there anything you would like to say about the things that are being discussed. You've got me writing essays for you for half the night. Is there anything you could give me to shoot down? What do you think about direct.uk and the proposals to change the registrar agreement and to gift the secondary market to 123-reg and SEDO? I promise not to call you banal or paranoid, or a conspiracy theorist or a bully, or sarcastic.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
I watched the live webcast if that counts?

Then perhaps you could recall one thing that myself or Lucien did or said to harangue the Chair? I'm just trying to see if you can back anything up that you say.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Sean why are you doing impressions of this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng

You can't quote us word for word.... bit like "There is no real evidence for it but it is scientific fact."

I don't know how stupid this conversation has got, someone who wasn't there and doesn't know what was or wasn't said trying to tell me how I conducted myself was wrong.

The truth is this, what actually happened was, Lucien and myself actually attacked the stage. I used my Royal Marine training the scale the 1ft podium with ropes and a claw hammer whilst signing the national anthem and screaming "freedom" at the top of my voice. I then attacked the members of the board with an axe, two of them haven't been seen since, I'm admitting nothing though

Sean, seriously why let truth of what actually happened get in the way of a good story.

Frtichie went into melt down because someone else wanted to ask questions at the AGM and not listen to her ranting on for 40 minutes reading word for word what was in the AGM document. The room agreed with the member in the audience and Fritchie didn't like it and turned the camera off. Probably not Hollywood enough for you and your conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories but I'm sure you can make out a good ending for it.

We never interrupted the CEO once either just to round up how wrong you are about everything.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
Sorry Graeme, I thought the fella who interrupted Lesley Cowley was you! He was sat front row, centre isle next to Lucien and I assumed it was you. The chap I meant was the one who asked the chair to allow a show of hands to see if she should be re-elected.

No you are right that was me, but nope it wasn't an interruption it was a question when they gave me the microphone and it was Baroness Fritchie not Lesley Cowley.

This is what I mean Sean, absolutely nothing that you think happened actually happened apart from in your own head. Even though you accuse others of conspiracy theories. The difference is, is that when Lucien or myself actually speak or post, it's factually thought through and all adds up or we get sued, in my case they bring it before the High Court for my current hearing. Everything we say is checked and double checked.

Now who do you think are the two people on this forum that actually need to put the most thought and effort into what they actually post before they post it where Nominet is concerned?

Lucien Taylor · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
Ordinarily I'd say that what you do and how you conduct yourself is your business but having canvassed for our votes, the pair of you were essentially representing us at that meeting and that isn't how I wanted to be portrayed. What made it worse is that the Nominet people sat their smug and dignified and refused to be drawn into the heckling.

Sorry passed out there!

No this is impossible. The election statements made our positions quite clear. I talked to many members who are very angry about what's happening to the company. If you voted for me, then you knew my views about the board, and it takes some robust exchanges to put those views. The Chair opened the meeting with a misleading statement to members, in my view. That was her decision. I have subsequently had a lengthly email exchange with the journalist involved and there are now serious questions over the statement made to members and published in the AGM materials. But Sean, you don't care about any of this do you? Potential Breaches of Directors' duties? Unanswered allegations?

However, what I can say is that after a year of asking politely and many email exchanges with the Chair, Nominet have finally agreed to meet with myself and Emily, to discuss and learn. We finally have an opportunity for some polite discussion - and I think that that will be in the best interests of the membership and company.

I didn't rant at the audience - I repeated 1 point on camra as part of a point I was invited to make to the room, and stated that one of her answers was a 'set piece' - a point I maintain.

Sean, I haven't viewed the broadcast, but it occurred to me that the Chair had very poor microphone technique and did much of her speaking off-mic. We, on the other hand were given the microphone, so maybe our voices come across as larger (and more bullyish?) than her tiny little voice. Anyway, of the people I have talked to who actually attended the meeting, none have expressed the views that you express. A couple have said it was 'unpleasant, but necessary'.

Lucien Taylor · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
I think that direct.uk is a terrible idea but changes to the registrar agreement is much overdue. The makeup of the membership might have worked 10 or so years ago but given the size and turnover of the company and the make-up of the membership, I think the time as come to pay-off (for want of a better word) the smaller members and to reshape how the company is governed, ideally through a larger and more diverse board.

I can't comment on your point about the secondary market because we don't know how Nominet effect change. I think it would be difficult to run auctions in house because you could argue that they're abusing their monopoly. I suppose pushed, I'd say that the current system is far from ideal but it's probably the best compromise.

I'm hearing really mixed feelings about direct.uk, but strong objections to the closed consultation process and lack of transparency.

I'm interested in your views about the membership - and the idea that the smaller members should be paid off - so you agree that they would be owed something? Currently, we are where we are. I agree it needs to change, the current system is undemocratic and unsustainable - and the current board, as agents of the company, seem to be working only with the top members, and the top members seem disinterested in the views of the wider membership. A recipe for ongoing discontent and conflict.

As for the secondary market, I think that Nominet are trying to legitimise 'dropping' - an activity for which they used to show contempt - and they are putting together a proposal that will enrich one of its board members. A proposal that he didn't vote on, because he was advised that he was conflicted, but apparently as Dickie Armour admitted at the AGM fed into planning and discussions. This is something that I believe is most improper, and I have put that view to the board in the best interests of the company.

Stephen · Aug 27, 2013

.uk awareness outside Acorn

Stephen said:
Nominet have stated that although they will publish the feedback from the current .uk proposal (if the client elects to allow it),
it will not be published until after the decision has been made in November several months after the close of 23rd September 2013.

This will not allow much time to review and analysis the feedback data,
if an appeal of any sort is going to be made against the Nominet decision, whatever it may be.

Anybody any ideas of where people who have completed the consultation feedback could post it online, and so it could be viewed by others in an easy to read format?

Back to the point of this thread (again!) and awareness outside Acorn for .uk.

If there is sufficient ".uk consultation feedback posted" I will add an extra section to youruk.org.uk to display such posted feedback.

Any feedback will be displayed in full as provided, whether it is for .uk, against .uk or an alternative proposal.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
If you have facts to back up your assertions, print them, until then they're just the rantings of two conspiracy theorists, both of whom have a long history of conflict with Nominet.

At this stage, the only thing I care about is that the more reasonable and moderate members of this forum risk being associated with your own and Graeme's views and behaviour and I'm tired of sitting back letting you two jokers set the agenda.

Lucien mate this guy doesn't even know the difference between Lesley Cowley and Fritchie, no point arguing with him, facts have little currency... he's genuinely crazy.

I have a conspiracy that there is a conspiracy.

Stephen · Aug 27, 2013

Back to the point

Stephen said:
Nominet have stated that although they will publish the feedback from the current .uk proposal (if the client elects to allow it),
it will not be published until after the decision has been made in November several months after the close of 23rd September 2013.

This will not allow much time to review and analysis the feedback data,
if an appeal of any sort is going to be made against the Nominet decision, whatever it may be.

Anybody any ideas of where people who have completed the consultation feedback could post it online, and so it could be viewed by others in an easy to read format?

Back to the point of this thread (third attempt!) and awareness outside Acorn for .uk.

If there is sufficient ".uk consultation feedback posted" I will add an extra section to youruk.org.uk to display such posted feedback.

Any feedback will be displayed in full or as a link as provided, whether it is for .uk, against .uk or an alternative proposal.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
Is this the best you've got?

lol does it need anything else, I dismantled your points within 30 seconds flat. Instead of opening up a can of man and apologising, instead you increase the insanity level.

I do love a good laugh though, so in the interests of comedy, please post your next specific allegation of what we have done wrong in your head.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Stephen said:
Back to the point of this thread (third attempt!) and awareness outside Acorn for .uk.

If there is sufficient ".uk consultation feedback posted" I will add an extra section to youruk.org.uk to display such posted feedback.

Any feedback will be displayed in full or as a link as provided, whether it is for .uk, against .uk or an alternative proposal.

Sorry Stephen, I've just sent a quick pm to mods to see if we could split the thread. I apologise though.

Cheers
GW

Stephen · Aug 27, 2013

GreyWing said:
Sorry Stephen, I've just sent a quick pm to mods to see if we could split the thread. I apologise though.

Cheers
GW

Thanks and I hope somebody can post something on the issue of the thread.

Edwin · Aug 27, 2013

Stephen said:
Thanks and I hope somebody can post something on the issue of the thread.

I've not come across any other public feedback yet, and I do keep quite a close eye on new pages that show up about the Nominet consultation. There may be more as we get closer to the deadline...

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

I'll be making mine public but Alex has set the bar pretty high.

Stephen · Aug 27, 2013

another press release

Edwin said:
I've not come across any other public feedback yet, and I do keep quite a close eye on new pages that show up about the Nominet consultation. There may be more as we get closer to the deadline...

Thank you.

I'm currently constructing another press release to publize Alex Bligh blog,
even though it does not come to the same conclusion on .uk as my report,
I cannot find fault with any of his well thought out feedback.

His blog for those interested in the .uk debate can be found at

http://blog.alex.org.uk/

Lucien Taylor · Aug 27, 2013

Stephen said:
Thank you.

I'm currently constructing another press release to publize Alex Bligh blog,
even though it does not come to the same conclusion on .uk as my report,
I cannot find fault with any of his well thought out feedback.

His blog for those interested in the .uk debate can be found at

http://blog.alex.org.uk/

Thank you Stephen, just tweeted

Stephen · Aug 27, 2013

the fight is now

Sean said:
Stephen, can I respectfully ask that you take a step back. There's no story here at the moment and when Nominet do finally make a decision, let's assume the worst and they give direct.uk the green light. At that point the fight will begin in earnest but constantly writing to the press with non stories at this stage risks alienating them against you and using goodwill that you may need for a real battle.

At this stage it's a consultation and not giving answers to questions is in my opinion the right way for Nominet to act because doing so would risk being dragged into a debate or argument and that's not what consultations are about. They're canvassing for opinion and have already proved that they are willing to listen and change so let's give them the benefit of the doubt until they show their hand.

Thank you for your considered view.

It is a consultation only in title, in my view.

If somebody would supply me with the voting figures that show that all the Directors (or very nearly all) voted not to proceed with .uk after the awful V1 .uk proposal.
I certainly would agree and simply add my feedback like everybody else and not be putting in this effort.

However I believe that the vote was very close which would have meant the .uk being introduced, without another consultation or vote of members or poll of registrants.

I feel that Nominet are determined to release .uk this time around and at that point it is unlikely that I will be fighting against it, as it would be a done deal.
The feedback is only published with the decision and the summary can always behind views/feedback that will not be made public as they didn't give permission to do so.

So for me the fight is now.

GreyWing · Aug 27, 2013

Sean said:
Can I ask what you're fighting and what you're hoping to achieve?

lol,

Stephen · Aug 27, 2013

acheive?

Sean said:
Can I ask what you're fighting and what you're hoping to achieve?

Fighting the lack of awareness by the vast majority of the Uk stakeholders of the current .uk proposal.

Fighting the lack of information in the proposal dealing with "disadvantages, problems and possible alternatives" so people can provide better feedback.

Fighting to get more people to add their informed views to the .uk consultation process.

Aim is to win my fight.

I would also like to see my alternative proposal adopted but that is a secondary aim, as I acknowledge as many have commented it would require a massive seed change of direction at Nominet and need for more money as they see it.