domain enquiry - some people

[Paullas]

Just recieved this email about a domain name they are interested in. They offered me £25 and when i declined it they replied with this:

Sorry not to be an authority but you do realise that you would be in violation of nominets abusive registration policy http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/drs/faq/#abusiveregistration

A. for the purposes of selling, renting or otherwise
transferring the Domain Name to the Complainant
or to a competitor of the Complainant, for valuable
consideration in excess of the Respondent’s
documented out-of-pocket costs directly associated
with acquiring or using the Domain Name;

The above is from paragraph 3 of the policy that the site refers to.

I’m not going to open a dispute as I don’t have the time nor am I like that. I only know all this due to having to help a client through it all. It does bother me when domain names have been brought for the purpose of selling on for a profit though.

This domain name is for a personal project. I do have other ideas i can use as names but i like this one the most. I did offer £25 not £20. £10 is to cover the 2 years hosting you would have just paid out for and the £15 is more than enough to cover the cost of transferring the registered name over to me (nominets fee for this is £10 plus vat).


pm me and ill tell you the domain but some people

 

[WaftyCrank]

Email back telling him to **** off!

 

[fish]

Paul, how did you respond to their most authoritive, kind and thoughtful reply :?:

 

[foz]

And they know what you paid? Always amazes me that people assume reg fee.

I wouldn't respond at all.

 

[Skinner]

First up that paragraph as best I recall relates to blatant trademarks like registering "nike" and trying to sell it to "nike", where nike would easily prove you was fully aware of their brand and intended on selling to them at a huge cost.

If its a generic or the buyer isn't on the first page of google already (who looks deeper or elsewhere), then no case at all

If you didn't reg the domain manually it was a catch for example, send them a factoring for your own tag, nom reg, coding, reg fee, research costs, ets.

Even if it was reg fee, explain the process of checking the exact tool, researching affiliates, looking into advertising competitiveness, make some more stuff, waste some more time, and estimate how long it would take you to find said reg fee name now double or triple that.

Now as a 'Internet Presence Consultant', your flat rate is £250 then £150+Vat per hour after that

So domain took 90 minutes to locate, I make that Reg Fee, Transfer Fee, £250 + £75+Vat + £37.50 (15 minutes to handle transfer).

 

[Edwin]

I would never even attempt a rational dialogue with a fool like that since reason won't get you anywhere, but the effort will likely aggravate them still further...

If it's a generic, file their email and ignore it, but be prepared for the outside chance that they decide to do something through the dispute process.

If it's a blatant TM (I doubt it is in this case, but in general I mean), then hand it over meekly (again without getting into a slanging match) - it's a fair cop.

Either way, attempting to extract "real" value from the domain through some artificial formula is probably not going to fly. They're so high up on their high horse (from the sound of the email) that they're not going to pay it anyway.

 

[grantw]

And they know what you paid? Always amazes me that people assume reg fee.

I had some idiot like this a while back, I explained to him that I had paid £xxx for the domain myself because I understand the value of domains. He didn't have much to say after that

Grant

 

[mojoco]

Here is the one of the best that I have received.......

Whom it may concern

Domain name: "********.co.uk"

To keep it short, I am interested in the domain name ********.co.uk because it is where I live and the community wish to increase their online presence. Although our website would include some commercial aspects we cannot afford to pay for this domain. However I cannot imagine that any profitable traffic is directed from this address, so it would be in your interest to transfer it to us.

What a retard !!

 

[grantw]

Here is the one of the best that I have received.......

Whom it may concern

Domain name: "********.co.uk"

To keep it short, I am interested in the domain name ********.co.uk because it is where I live and the community wish to increase their online presence. Although our website would include some commercial aspects we cannot afford to pay for this domain. However I cannot imagine that any profitable traffic is directed from this address, so it would be in your interest to transfer it to us.

What a retard !!

Quality

 

[Skinner]

I'm totally sending that to STJ for village name

Here is the one of the best that I have received.......

Whom it may concern

Domain name: "********.co.uk"

To keep it short, I am interested in the domain name ********.co.uk because it is where I live and the community wish to increase their online presence. Although our website would include some commercial aspects we cannot afford to pay for this domain. However I cannot imagine that any profitable traffic is directed from this address, so it would be in your interest to transfer it to us.

What a retard !!

 

[Paullas]

i replied with all the usual on the history of domains balava and here was his responce.


I never threatened you, I even informed you I wasn’t going to open a dispute. But they who buy and sell on for a profit get away with it because people like me are to busy to dispute or they just don’t know what they can do. There is no way of policing this issue in England (other TLD’s which nominet don’t control may have different rules). It was a recent conversation with a nominet employee when they informed me buying domains with the intention to sell for profit is regarded an abusive registration, it was also the same employee of nominet that sent me the policies to forward to my client to which I quoted that paragraph from. Also I would like to add I never mentioned buying and selling websites, selling websites for profit that come with a domain name that does not violate a competitors rights or any copyright to my knowledge is not considered an abusive registration.

I have also been in the website business for 13 years and dealt with nominet from day one. I also used to buy and sell domain names some years ago, I stopped as it annoyed me when someone was trying to sell me a domain name that was perfect for a project for an unsightly amount and made me think I’m just doing the same. I will admit in all the years I have dealt with nominet it was only recently I learnt that buying domain names solely to sell on for profit was a violation of their terms.

I have no set budget for this project it costs what it costs but I am not out to pay over the odds for anything in life, why would anyone spend for example £100 on something they can get for £10, like I say I have other names in mind but liked this the most so thought I would make an offer.

I can see from the whois this domain name was registered in 2008 and is registered till 2012, so that’s 4 years of out of pocket hosting fee’s, £20 max (may hosting company charge what I feel is over the odd as I can’t compete with the big guns, but I charge £9.42 biyearly for .co.uk names so I feel my offer is a fair price) then add the £15 for nominet fee’s. So ill pay £35.

If you didn’t purchase the domain name to sell on then I apologise, I only assumed you did as from the site the domain name displays looks like a typical parked domain revenue building site with a link titled “Buy This Domain”.

My informative nature wasn’t to threaten you or to try drive the price down as I have no intention of paying over the odds regardless, I was only trying to be helpful and help prevent someone opening a dispute against you.

Unfortunately when I was buying and selling I had a dispute opened against me by the trade giant screwfix, my intention when buying the domain was to build a site for DIY’ers but I still had to hand over the domain name to them for the price I paid for it. Thinking about it just now, Nominet recommended me to offer to sell them the domain name for the price I paid for it and no less would have been because of their abusive registration policy and the out of pocket clause.

Anyway, i never meant to offend, i am not good with the written word, never have been.



oh and the domain name was Bedroom Toys dotcouk. I would be very interested in which nominet eployee he spoke to though .

Also to add insult to his injury he runs a web design and hosting busines

 

[grantw]

He seems to have been seriously misinformed by someone at Nominet!

Grant

 

[Paullas]

hasnt he just

 

[foz]

Also to add insult to his injury he runs a web design and hosting busines

Yes, and these types "advise" clients.

 

[Systreg]

Yes, and these types "advise" clients.

And you just know that he has a client, and has advised his client that he can get this domain for them for about £25 :lol:

 

[foz]

And you just know that he has a client, and has advised his client that he can get this domain for them for about £25 :lol:

or don't get a fantastic after-market domain, register supergoluckyltd-uk.co.uk for £5.

 

[fish]

Also to add insult to his injury he runs a web design and hosting busines

after hearing this from him I'd request he designs unique sites for all your domains and host them infinitum for £1 each and if he complains then up it to £2

What a knob! entertaining though

 

[Edwin]

If (and it's a big IF) he got through to someone at Nominet, I wonder if he was as rambling on the phone as by email. If so, they may have assumed he was talking about somebody taking "his" company name, or that sort of thing. I'm sure that's what they must get a lot of calls about. So they just pointed him at the standard text from the dispute resolution.

 

[Paullas]

If (and it's a big IF) he got through to someone at Nominet, I wonder if he was as rambling on the phone as by email. If so, they may have assumed he was talking about somebody taking "his" company name, or that sort of thing. I'm sure that's what they must get a lot of calls about. So they just pointed him at the standard text from the dispute resolution.

yeah more like here read this a p*** o*** lol

 

[pugyrob]

Prss him and offer him £20 for his best name or counter with 50k or sod off.

OR

tell him that in the time he has spent trying to buy this name, he could have written three articles on how not to domain, sold them for £7 each on guru.com and upped his offer by a whopping £18 making it 50% more attractive to you