Noms new uk does what does it mean too you?

namealot · Jul 2, 2013

Noms new uk does what does it mean too you?

Mmm nice little earner never thought org.uk me.uk would ever make a penny but for the time being there wonderful?

Oh shit all the good caught co/uk names over the past 10 years are fu^ked?

Wasted time developing co.uk name as ffff ing org,uk going to get the uk?

I wonder if I can grab some org.uk me.uks of some unsuspecting owner for a song ?

f my portfolio is going to half in price overnight?

Whoopee my portfolio is going to double in price?

Proposal one I was going too jump out the window proposal two means I’ll drink myself to death instead..?

I wondered if change of career is an option am I to old to be a gigolo?
Any other thoughts

domainseller200 · Jul 2, 2013

From my top 100 .org.uk domains I will get the .uk for only 12 of them with a couple of crackers too.

From my top 100 co.uk domains I will get the .uk for 84 of them, again with a couple of really nice ones.

So overall I will get 48% of my best domains .uk equivalents.

96 nice solid .uk domains at the cost of around £500 vs possibly losing 104 others to other extensions. I am certain that the possible loss of the value in the .org.uk names (as domain names alone) will be more than replaced with the value I will get from the .uk domains I stand to gain. Swings and roundabouts for sure though.

Overall I am happy, but I am investigating into how I can make myself even happier if push comes to shove.

Would love to see some other clear examples like I have set out above if people are willing to share an exact figure.

namealot · Jul 2, 2013

I have had 25 offers for a org.uk in the past mth in the previous 15 odd years I don’t think I had that many 15 on another and 10 on a me.uk? In april/ may sold three co.uk's x.xxx each offered the buyers the org.uk too which they all declined.. I will get the uk for them which is going to be interesting ? One in fact let the org.uk drop about 4 days before I sold them the co/uk not had a chance to go through dates on other yet?

Does remind me what I’d sought of forgotten that domaining is swimming in a shark infested pool???

Marcoose · Jul 4, 2013

Developed sites - I've had the introduction of .UK on the back of my mind for a few years and decided to put any decent money into .com so my core business won't be effected by this.

Domain Portfolio - Will lose some, gain some, relinquish maybe 1/3-1/2 (probably a good thing!). Also have the chance to snag some premiums with the few .org.uks that I own and am rubbing my hands together over that prospect (probs unlikely). I'm also feeling quite positive because I'll get the .UK version of 3 decent .co.uks that got cooked by penguin.

Generally, from a business perspective I'm not concerned although I am kicking myself for not making a few more speculative org/me.uk purchases! :evil:

I am though completely against the proposal as it stands. .co.uk and .uk ARE confusingly similar, WILL create mass confusion and WILL breed a long list of already published problems.

.co.uk is the ONLY stated extension for business and .uk will be replicating it but in a shorter, snazzier, easier to remember and more desirable way. Why on earth someone who registered an me.uk ten years ago (an extension intended for personal sites) should get the prime commercial extension is beyond me.

Org.uk - the same. For those people that cry, "what about the charities?" - well they have the extension that fits their setup (as defined by Nominet themselves) and although it isn't ideal, that's the reality.....

Merge .co.uk/uk - the two are inseparable in your nominet account and businesses can pick and choose which one they use. If they don't want to use .UK, don't know how to move servers, set up a 301, etc, they don't have to!....increase reg/renewal fee by a few quid if you have to feed your greedy pockets..... Robert's your mothers brother. In my opinion this is the only fair way to roll this out.

Stephen · Jul 4, 2013

Self-interest v UK namespace

Marcoose said:
Domain Portfolio - Will lose some, gain some, relinquish maybe 1/3-1/2 (probably a good thing!). Also have the chance to snag some premiums with the few .org.uks that I own and am rubbing my hands together over that prospect (probs unlikely). ....

I think that is the position for most UK domainers who have a portfolio:

"Will lose some, gain some"

I also think all UK domainers will benefit from "bagging" some great .uk (to some degree), if not taken up by existing registrants, for whatever reason.

But is it right for the UK namespace?

Have Nominet addressed the core problems identified in proposal 1, did they consider all the alternatives?

Not all domainers thinks so:

Marcoose said:
"I am though completely against the proposal as it stands. .co.uk and .uk ARE confusingly similar, WILL create mass confusion and WILL breed a long list of already published problems. "

However I'm concerned that the lack of posts, questions and views on V2.0 .uk means that "UK domainers" in general are happy to see the new proposal go through, or is it just .uk fatigue?

GreyWing · Jul 4, 2013

Stephen said:
However I'm concerned that the lack of posts, questions and views on V2.0 .uk means that "UK domainers" in general are happy to see the new proposal go through, or is it just .uk fatigue?

It's certainly opened my eyes about things. Those of us who are against it have started to reach out to business groups this time. Ironically that is much easier this time because domainers are the clear winners of v2 (even though there are a lot here are still against it), even more than v1.

So whilst it looks a lot quieter on here, we are focusing a lot of effort off this site this time.

websaway · Jul 4, 2013

Stephen said:
I think that is the position for most UK domainers who have a portfolio:

"Will lose some, gain some"

I also think all UK domainers will benefit from "bagging" some great .uk (to some degree), if not taken up by existing registrants, for whatever reason.

But is it right for the UK namespace?

Have Nominet addressed the core problems identified in proposal 1, did they consider all the alternatives?

Not all domainers thinks so:

However I'm concerned that the lack of posts, questions and views on V2.0 .uk means that "UK domainers" in general are happy to see the new proposal go through, or is it just .uk fatigue?

It could clearly be a short term boon for the industry, and most domainers have other interests within the industry, but the costs to the general business community is huge and can not be justified.

I think if Nominet want to introduce .UK then there should be no administration burden and no charge, simply allocate a .uk to each registered co.uk and allow the registrant to use it if and when they want to.

monaghan · Jul 4, 2013

Stephen said:
However I'm concerned that the lack of posts, questions and views on V2.0 .uk means that "UK domainers" in general are happy to see the new proposal go through, or is it just .uk fatigue?

I think there is a lot of .uk fatigue and lets face it most here are domainers and the v2 seems to have done a lot to "help" domainers, even if it does mean they will now have to pay .co.uk renewals and .uk renewals so in turn it "helps" Nominet's large registrars increase their revenue and therefore "helps" Nominet add more to the ever increasing pot of surplus cash in the bank.

v1 meant domainers lost out big time, v2 is less impact to domainers who were the most vocal, the rest of the UK Internet community don't seem to care and after all it's only £5 per business per year so who cares? Keep those with the biggest voice quiet and you can do what you want these days!

I'm still trying to find the benefit of dropping the .co especially if the .uk owner will most likely already have the .co.uk, but then again I'm getting on a bit and I don't get much of the new fangled stuff the kids are doing (why the hell do I need an "App" on my phone to receive a message from school when they can sent me an email that I can get on my phone, tablet or PC?)

Retired_member41 · Jul 4, 2013

websaway said:
It could clearly be a short term boon for the industry, and most domainers have other interests within the industry, but the costs to the general business community is huge and can not be justified.

I think if Nominet want to introduce .UK then there should be no administration burden and no charge, simply allocate a .uk to each registered co.uk and allow the registrant to use it if and when they want to.

Spot on. That's the only way it can work. The costs at this time to businesses is not needed, and nominet are missing a huge opportunity to shape things for the better, instead of playing with playdoh while adding bits and taking bits off.

A change of this magnitude should have been better thought through, asking companies and domainers concerned is akin to asking prisoners how a prison should be run. The time scales and consultation periods are ill planned at best.

This whole process is good for just one thing, the resignations of the board members and managers responsible.

Why on such an important subject have we not heard from the people championing this, they may well have a point but its clouded by this ad hoc attitude.

My personal opinion is that it was a mooted idea that turned into a runaway train. Now no one knows who started it and no one has the guts or know how to resolve or finish it.

The board and senior management who on paper look fit for purpose, should after this consultation, STOP and get an independent team of experts to look at what has happened, where they want to go, and advise. And when I say independent, I mean independent, not some group of nfp cronies who may have worked with any board members before or intend to in the future.

If the board do not feel its necessary to STOP and take advice, they are not the people for the job.

websaway · Jul 4, 2013

I'm not sure at this stage that Nominet are anything other than relaxed. They have succeeded in pacifying all the major objectors ( though the method used so far is dubious, it is not such that could be termed wrongful )

The only people it has not needed to pacify is the general business community, the consumer, the public who it is meant to serve and they are the only losers and the ones that are paying for it all.

Marcoose · Jul 4, 2013

Stephen said:
However I'm concerned that the lack of posts, questions and views on V2.0 .uk means that "UK domainers" in general are happy to see the new proposal go through, or is it just .uk fatigue?

I can't say a lot because I try not to get into conversation/debate online so haven't contributed much myself. It does concern me too though.

It seems that the majority of people that were the most vocal before (100% not aimed at anyone in particular) seem to be happy with the new release mechanism not involving TM rights. The majority of them have been domaining for years and probably have a nice stash of aged domains and V2 is much more appealing to them than the shock that was V1 was.... fatigue, laziness, the general idea that .uk is inevitable also comes into play.

scooter · Jul 4, 2013

marcoose said:
merge .co.uk/uk - the two are inseparable in your nominet account and businesses can pick and choose which one they use. If they don't want to use .uk, don't know how to move servers, set up a 301, etc, they don't have to!....increase reg/renewal fee by a few quid if you have to feed your greedy pockets..... Robert's your mothers brother. In my opinion this is the only fair way to roll this out.

+1

Bailey · Jul 6, 2013

interesting to watch the market dynamics as they unfold though. I'm personally pleased to see every good .co.uk sale I made in the past - looks good for the UK owners future (I'll sleep better)

Watching some .co.uk bread-and-butter domains fall by the wayside. (well I never admired what catching has brought-about anyway)

And .UK is still in a maybe stage. I wouldn't bet against Nominet creating another 'Bigger headache' for themselves and the UK SPACE, whatever they come around to do