Pricing domains with high authority backlinks (for SEO purposes)

[WebWorks]

Hi all,

I have just picked up a couple of domains that have high quality backlinks from some of the most authoritative sites in the world.

How do you go about pricing them?

They have no toolbar PR right now as they have likely been expired for some time but the backlinks remain.

We're talking about backlinks from top level international organisations with Domain Authorities of 90+

I am considering using them for my own purposes but if they are worth a bit of money then I'd consider selling.

Example Moz details:

DA31
Domain MozRank = 3.78
Domain MozTrust = 4.44

DA21
Domain MozRank = 3.56
Domain MozTrust = 4.85

DA14
Domain MozRank = 3.57
Domain MozTrust = 5.08

Thoughts?

 

[WebWorks]

Does nobody want to share their thoughts on my question?

 

[AuthorityDomain]

Depends on the domains, what niche they are in, if they have bad link profile.

If you are not sure what to price, post in the Domain Name Offers invited Section

 

[Blossom]

Agree with what Gary said.

Purely based on the figures alone, you're looking at maybe £150 tops for the DA31 one. If you increase it to 40s/50s you're looking at much better money.

 

[mrh]

The high DA could be worthless, if those good links are mixed in with crap then it may have zero value. It also depends on where the good links are coming from ie what niche, what sites, if you had a load of links in one niche all natural and great that could be very valuable to someone

 

[WebWorks]

Thanks guys!

I guess I'll try my luck and see what I get - I can't yet though as apparently I have to wait 60 days between registering a domain and any subsequent transfers.

Maybe I'll dig out some older ones and see if there is any interest in them.

 

[WebWorks]

One last thing - do UK domains go for more or less than other TLDs?

Obviously you can't use a proxy service to register a UK domains which might make it less valuable for SEO purposes?

What about this domain: www.actnetwork.org.uk

Currently PR4 with a link from the guardian among others - the site is slightly broken now (not sure how long it's been like that but likely a long time as I have no commercial interest in this domain).

Political/development niche.

Any worth in it?

 

[timter51]

Just to give my opinion on that actnetwork.org.uk domain, for what it's worth.

The good:
PR4
Backlinks from high authority sites
No spam backlinks that I can find

The ok:
DA21 / PA34 is ok for PR4 but not great. For PR4, I'd be looking for DA30+ / PA40+.

The bad:
Only 62 referring domains listed on Majesticseo (I look for 100+)
195 of the 292 backlinks found by Majesticseo have been deleted - this is seriously no good. 50% maximum for me, even then I'm nervous about the future. With this figure, you can take that referring domains = 62 estimate it down to about 20.

The PR4 on that domain is being propped up manly by one backlink on this PR5 page (and some other PR3s):

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk.htm

That page was last updated in Nov 12 by the owner, so you know it's actively maintained. If, during their next update, they check links and realise that actnetwork site is no longer relevant, say goodbye to that link, and the PR will tumble (I would guess down to 2 or 3).

Key to a website holding it's PR, DA and PA is a strong backlink profile that can withstand links being deleted, because there are many more to support it. Any savvy domain will look at this domain and see that it's too risky an investment.

 

[Skinner]

I tried to work this out with one I have DA is 45 PA is 54 and 247 linking root domains, all appear to be good genuine links from various sites in the wedding niche which is money stacked on money and offers was all extreme low balls.

The domain in question is http://www.opensiteexplorer.org/domains?site=www.theweddingindex.co.uk if anyone wants to point out any problems which I missed which explain little interest, SEO names are not my gig so maybe I missed something.

 

[timter51]

I tried to work this out with one I have DA is 45 PA is 54 and 247 linking root domains, all appear to be good genuine links from various sites in the wedding niche which is money stacked on money and offers was all extreme low balls.

The domain in question is http://www.opensiteexplorer.org/domains?site=www.theweddingindex.co.uk if anyone wants to point out any problems which I missed which explain little interest, SEO names are not my gig so maybe I missed something.

I researched that domain skinner, but decided against trying to catch.

The hesitation I had was that in Majesticseo it was reporting 328,703 external backlinks which is usually a sure sign of mass spam backlinks for a domain at this level. You can see that 184,266 of those came from thehares.co.uk (a wedding band). Still, this is a ridiculously high amount from one site. 131,607 backlinks came from emnetisp.co.uk, which is now dead. A bit of digging may explain why such a high number came from these two domains, but it's very dubious and could easily be considered spammy by Google.

When all is said and done though, the vast majority of Internet Marketers still only care about PR (rightly or wrongly, wrongly if you ask me). I would think you haven't found a buyer because the domain is at PRN/A. If you want to sell that domain, then just hang on for the next toolbar pagerank update and see what you get. Judging by the backlink profile, my guess is it will go one of two ways - PR4 or 5 and you will find a buyer easily (low/mid £xxx from an SEO perspective, potentially much more if someone sees a branding opportunity), or PR0 and Google has killed it. You won't find a buyer then.

 

[WebWorks]

Thanks for the comprehensive review timter51.

I get your point about it being a little risky and clearly I need to invest in majesticSEO at some point if I am to get serious in the domain selling game.

I probably think a little differently to many as I don't take PR too seriously - I prefer to think more about the trust of a site and the Guardian link does plenty for me to see value in this domain (and Guardian links are almost certain to stick I'd say). There is just no buying trust like that really.

Unless anyone gives me a decent offer, I'll hang on to the domain and use it for my own purposes for now (letting that Guardian trust flow to one of my money sites via a cheeky homepage backlink).

I should say that I've owned this domain for years and the PR has never changed from a 4.

As for your wedding domain Skinner, I'm clearly no expert but I'd say that many of the links are from free web 2.0 types sites like freewebs and moonfruit and the wedding related backlinks tend be on "link" pages rather than in editorial content.

Still probably worth something but I'd wait for others to chime in rather than make an uneducated guess of my own.

 

[Skinner]

ose makes it look that but if you scroll down a good variety of photographers etc. it appears they had a reciprocical link policy. since there are many calls for what appear to be hosted banners.

My solution for now is put a simple site with a page about each linking company and aff links, see about traffic and revenue.

Have you thought of something similar rather than rely on the numbers ?, I was hoping to save myself the work hehehe.

 

[julian]

holy sh1t.

you can't value a domain based on its current pr, majesticseo or opensiteex algos..

what sort of retarded advice is this..

 

[timter51]

holy sh1t.

you can't value a domain based on its current pr, majesticseo or opensiteex algos..

what sort of retarded advice is this..

Would love to hear your reasons why!! Purely from an SEO point of view (for backlinking purposes), PR, DA/PA and backlink profiling are all good indicators for helping value a domain. We're not talking about developing domains (at least I wasn't).

 

[Skinner]

This is a.different type of domain Julian, for the most part they are names id never touch.

I wasnt talking about deving either but I figure if it wont sell based on the Automated seo stats maybe traffic +seo +click thru can improve the package for someone. just means as I value my time it will cost more which is bad in current climate, catch 22.

Ill reply better when on computer hard to do on my phablet.

 

[Blossom]

holy sh1t.

you can't value a domain based on its current pr, majesticseo or opensiteex algos..

what sort of retarded advice is this..

Of course you can. And some of us do pretty well out of it :mrgreen:

 

[timter51]

Of course you can. And some of us do pretty well out of it :mrgreen:

:mrgreen:

Talking of which, where are you guys finding it best to sell high PR / DA / PA .uk domains? Everywhere seems hit and miss to me, I guess most people out there want .com, .net or .org.

 

[Murray]

Of course you can. And some of us do pretty well out of it :mrgreen:

No, you can't, not unless you're a snake oil salesmen selling to people who don't know any better.

OSE, majestic, pagerank, they're all very superficial, you have to take a deeper look.

I find majestic to be a bit crap to be honest, I don't use it.

It doesn't matter how many links a site has, It matters who the links are from.

If I look at a site and it has links from the BBC, ac.uk, national news websites + other sites I would recognise as strong in their niche great.

If it all it has is links from sites like freesubmitdirectoryforyou.net & linkresourcehere.com then no thanks.

Also obviously looking into the site itself history is the next thing to do.

 

[timter51]

No, you can't, not unless you're a snake oil salesmen selling to people who don't know any better.

OSE, majestic, pagerank, they're all very superficial, you have to take a deeper look.

I find majestic to be a bit crap to be honest, I don't use it.

It doesn't matter how many links a site has, It matters who the links are from.

If I look at a site and it has links from the BBC, ac.uk, national news websites + other sites I would recognise as strong in their niche great.

If it all it has is links from sites like freesubmitdirectoryforyou.net & linkresourcehere.com then no thanks.

Also obviously looking into the site itself history is the next thing to do.

Right, and what tools are useful for looking into a sites backlink profile? OSE and Majesticseo, amongst others. PR, DA and PA are of course superficial without researching, that's pretty obvious.

I think everyone's getting their knickers in a twist over nothing, we're all heading down the same path.

 

[boxfish]

Quite often it sounds like you try to place yourself as an authority of SEO on this forum, but you haven't actually shared anything of substance publicly?

Well said Seemly