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AMA with Helmuts, founder of HostMaria, London Domain Summit, $Maria Coin, & owner of DNForum, Acorn

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Good morning Acorn,

I'm Helmuts Meskonis, and the 1st one to open this AMA (Ask Me Anything) category! I've been on quite the journey in the world of domains and online ventures, and I'm happy to share my experiences and insights with all of you. Wright or Wrong - the time will show :)

A little about me:
  • Founder of HostMaria: started as 20i reseller, signed-up over 10k new users over 2 years, and now offering dedicated servers for custom needs, and planning to become an accredited channel partner of Nominet, Afnic, Denic, DNS Belgium, nic.lv and others.
  • Founder of the London Domain Summit: a B2B convention that brings domain business owners/executives, investors, and experts together to discuss business, the latest trends and opportunities in the domain industry.
  • Launched layer 1 cryptocurrency $Maria Coin (PivX fork): Took me 4 years to get ready to launch it.
  • Recently, I became the proud owner of DNForum and Acorn Domains: Two significant forums in the domain industry that have stood the test of time.
Feel free to ask me anything :) I'm here to answer your questions.

Ask away, and let's jump-start this AMA category.
 
How do you go about getting sponsors/backers for projects

a while ago made a decision to provide services to businesses (not individuals), and this choice does help.

it is all about old good selling..

One of the major issues of mine is taking money.. asking for a sale and doing lots free of charge (was thought in my childhood that money is evil) > my cure is listening to audiobook: Secrets of Closing the Sale by Zig Ziglar

And then, improving network, networking and selling, selling, selling :)

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I suppose your question is: how did I get the backing of it.com?
 
Yes but also a more general question.

Andrey, the founder of it.com reached out to me when I was organising the 1st Summit (last year at Yum-Sa). I was very honest with him what I am trying to do/organize and also shared that the Presenting Sponsorship is still available, and told that I was in discussions with Sedo about it. .. wasn't bluffing there - up to that point had have 3-4 hour dinner (I paid the bill, of course) with Sedo at Yum-Sa, showed the space, introduced them to the owner of Yum-Sa and so on..
.. and told Andrey that the Presenting Sponsorship is available on first come - first get basis.
.. further my memory might fail me.. met Andrey and his family at Yum-Sa (I was there with two of my daughters as well).. he was very, very cautious, we discussed a number of things and he decided to place a trust in the Summit and me, personally, and shortly after said that it.com will be the presenting sponsor (this covered the rent of the restaurant with food and drinks for both days).

.. many think that it.com are throwing around money - it is definitely not the case > Andrey is very careful on the money invested. .. especially when it.com zone was launched, they had a problem > nobody knew them, and no 'big boys' from the industry acknowledged them.

.. a smaller business owner might think it.com are advertising everywhere possible, like coca-cola :) ... in reality, they are proving to the big boys that they are a reliable company, that they will not flip the it.com and can be accepted in the 'big boys club'. .. And, the case of the Summit was the same > most large players didn't take us seriously. .. 2 businesses growing together with similar goals and with respect towards each other.

Andrey is the man of his word - and I love it! I am also a person for whom a business handshake is everything.

Nominet supported us with 1 thousand pounds and Sedo supported with 2 (I think), Kieren supported us (put his money in the bar for special drinks), some domainers purchased the business tickets and that was it, I think. .. the end result was small minuses, but you can call it = breaking even.
that was the case of Summit 2022.

.. and 1000% > the moral support of domainers like @Sam and Colin Smith (Perfect.uk) who promoted the Summit to their network was super important!

I saw the importance of domain name investing forums all the time while promoting Summit 2022.. Bough a header banner at Acorn and my fear was that some day Steve would 5x or 10x the Acorn banner prices > and I would pay them.. Or even worse, let us say Steve didn't like me > he would ban me on Acorn and the Summit would go 'tits up' :( .. 6 months later we agreed on a deal (gentleman's agreement) with Andrey on it.com advertising at Acorn and bought the forum. In short: I presold ads at Acorn and all this money went to acquire the forum. .. now the foundation for the Summit was solid!
Couple weeks later @Ryan Ewen offered me to acquire DNForum. Never planned to own it - had a chat with Andrey, and we stroke a deal similar to Acorn.
.. we were both at the same time, same place and our ideas about the future match.

Summit 2023. It was actually Andrey who pushed me out of my comfort zone > to organize the Summit at the Hilton London Metropole instead of a restaurant (no matter how awesome as it was). .. he knew that my main fear are the huge expenses, and insured me that they will cover the base costs (venue rent, food drinks). And, were like an insurance for the Sky23 expenses, if there are no other sponsors for it > in the end they covered the end bill.

Preparations for the Summit 2023 with a proof of a successfully run Summit 2022 (and the fact that 2 major domain name forums are used to promote the convention) introduced me to a number of the established players in the industry, and now we should be able to fly on our own. This was also an unwritten agreement between us.

I short:
I have a product (London Domain Summit)
I have an absolute and total belief that the Summit is worth more than the price I ask for sponsorships, exhibiting spaces and entry tickets to the right companies
I have tonnes of fruitless business meetings
I have learned to ignore the initial 'no'
.. and keep networking, networking, networking..

does this help?

.. every failed meeting and unsuccessful sales talk (sometimes these take many months) hurt > I have learnt to move on to the next company to whom the Summit or forums can help to reach their business goals.

.. maybe I have disclosed too much

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it.com team has reached much already, their registrars: https://get.it.com/for-registrars/ .. though, the list could be larger, much larger.
 
Super bit of deal making, and I have no doubt that you will you succeed in delivering your vision.
 
Andrey, the founder of it.com reached out to me when I was organising the 1st Summit (last year at Yum-Sa). I was very honest with him what I am trying to do/organize and also shared that the Presenting Sponsorship is still available, and told that I was in discussions with Sedo about it. .. wasn't bluffing there - up to that point had have 3-4 hour dinner (I paid the bill, of course) with Sedo at Yum-Sa, showed the space, introduced them to the owner of Yum-Sa and so on..
.. and told Andrey that the Presenting Sponsorship is available on first come - first get basis.
.. further my memory might fail me.. met Andrey and his family at Yum-Sa (I was there with two of my daughters as well).. he was very, very cautious, we discussed a number of things and he decided to place a trust in the Summit and me, personally, and shortly after said that it.com will be the presenting sponsor (this covered the rent of the restaurant with food and drinks for both days).

.. many think that it.com are throwing around money - it is definitely not the case > Andrey is very careful on the money invested. .. especially when it.com zone was launched, they had a problem > nobody knew them, and no 'big boys' from the industry acknowledged them.

.. a smaller business owner might think it.com are advertising everywhere possible, like coca-cola :) ... in reality, they are proving to the big boys that they are a reliable company, that they will not flip the it.com and can be accepted in the 'big boys club'. .. And, the case of the Summit was the same > most large players didn't take us seriously. .. 2 businesses growing together with similar goals and with respect towards each other.

Andrey is the man of his word - and I love it! I am also a person for whom a business handshake is everything.

Nominet supported us with 1 thousand pounds and Sedo supported with 2 (I think), Kieren supported us (put his money in the bar for special drinks), some domainers purchased the business tickets and that was it, I think. .. the end result was small minuses, but you can call it = breaking even.
that was the case of Summit 2022.

.. and 1000% > the moral support of domainers like @Sam and Colin Smith (Perfect.uk) who promoted the Summit to their network was super important!

I saw the importance of domain name investing forums all the time while promoting Summit 2022.. Bough a header banner at Acorn and my fear was that some day Steve would 5x or 10x the Acorn banner prices > and I would pay them.. Or even worse, let us say Steve didn't like me > he would ban me on Acorn and the Summit would go 'tits up' :( .. 6 months later we agreed on a deal (gentleman's agreement) with Andrey on it.com advertising at Acorn and bought the forum. In short: I presold ads at Acorn and all this money went to acquire the forum. .. now the foundation for the Summit was solid!
Couple weeks later @Ryan Ewen offered me to acquire DNForum. Never planned to own it - had a chat with Andrey, and we stroke a deal similar to Acorn.
.. we were both at the same time, same place and our ideas about the future match.

Summit 2023. It was actually Andrey who pushed me out of my comfort zone > to organize the Summit at the Hilton London Metropole instead of a restaurant (no matter how awesome as it was). .. he knew that my main fear are the huge expenses, and insured me that they will cover the base costs (venue rent, food drinks). And, were like an insurance for the Sky23 expenses, if there are no other sponsors for it > in the end they covered the end bill.

Preparations for the Summit 2023 with a proof of a successfully run Summit 2022 (and the fact that 2 major domain name forums are used to promote the convention) introduced me to a number of the established players in the industry, and now we should be able to fly on our own. This was also an unwritten agreement between us.

I short:
I have a product (London Domain Summit)
I have an absolute and total belief that the Summit is worth more than the price I ask for sponsorships, exhibiting spaces and entry tickets to the right companies
I have tonnes of fruitless business meetings
I have learned to ignore the initial 'no'
.. and keep networking, networking, networking..

does this help?

.. every failed meeting and unsuccessful sales talk (sometimes these take many months) hurt > I have learnt to move on to the next company to whom the Summit or forums can help to reach their business goals.

.. maybe I have disclosed too much

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it.com team has reached much already, their registrars: https://get.it.com/for-registrars/ .. though, the list could be larger, much larger.

Amazing Helmuts to be so open with everything - transparency is key to the domain industry
 
10k new users over 2 years is phenomenal, how did you do it?

Tried lots of approaches. Got burnt with Vietnamese traffic when I was promoting a free 3 month trial (in average had 1 signup in 2 minutes).. there was influential 1 Viet guy who posted our promo deal at a FB group of 225k Viet IT/online entrepreneurs :) .. that was fun :) in the end deleted 95% of these users :)

Sold more than 10k hosting deals (1-year specials) for new accounts only with AppSumo > our success here got noticed by some other resellers who started posting lifetime hosting offers (always a scam or a founder who doesn't understand that this is unsustainable) and when these 'lifetime hosting' companies started disappearing, AppSumo made a company decision to stop all hosting promotions.
.. you can look up one of our AppSumo deals at the web archive: appsumo.com/hostmaria

Also worked with DealMirror (Indians, who are trying to replicate AppSumo) - nice guys trying their best.

There was a nice collaboration with an active black-hat forum (not blackhatworld): sadly these guys mostly don't respect trademarks, copyrights or do email spamming, so removed many of these. Some are still with us.

+ I have done livestreams for 6 years (maybe longer.. still remember building our gpu miners on livestreams in 1997) for Latvian webmasters (we have around 5k eyeballs).

not so fun stuff: the very 1st tech support guy of mine couldn't keep the stress, burnt out and re-started drinking (and went totally 'bananas').. never ever allowed my support staff to work too much after this.

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And always trying to be as transparent as possible. Always been proud that we are established and experienced 20i resellers (have a written permission somewhere to use the word 'partners' on 'in partnership' on the website), while most others hide it.

For full transparency: today we have 1270 active users (inactive ones are automatically disabled to keep the WHMCS licence costs down), and many have 2, 3 or more accounts with us. .. we lost around 3500 users while I was busy organising the Summit 2023. this is a different topic - always happy to share how you can 'achieve' this too (life/business lessons) :)

I am preparing to start hiring again tech support specialists (most probably from Nepal). Laid of the whole team last year, and closed HQ that started building up in Kathmandu, Nepal, after Nepalese team's failure to do a simple task resulted in directly lost £40k + lost great business contacts. .. again, another story.. great people, and very sad incident on mismanagement from my side (did put too much trust on a young team leader) and laziness of the team at that particular day. .. otherwise, great people! .. still, couldn't keep them after such a case (some things can't be forgiven).

does this help?

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I know that many dream of a hosting reseller business > it is all about support on a-z topics (beyond hosting), marketing and insane support hours.. and you need to understand websites and the platform you use.. and gradually need to start moving into dedicated server space :) I love it :)

apologies for grammatical mistakes :) .. I am typing as the thoughts flow :)

Great day all!!
 
Who is Maria?

just a name :) .. I consider this female name the most sacred name in Western culture. .. was checking for a brand name for my hosting company, and it was available :) hand-reg.

.. had stumbled upon it before, and another domain name had 'Maria' in it.

beautiful, isn't it? :)
 
If you were starting fresh right now, what would you do differently and what would you repeat ?

:) I think I would go into business insurance (servicing businesses) if I had nothing (no past connections, no knowledge of hosting).

.. would get a job, get licensed, and networking, networking, networking...

:) I am a huge believer in building a solid business network, that you can help with your services..

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About the hosting = got lucky finding AppSumo. .. the rest was hard work.

With the domain name industry, the luck factor for me is very high.. it is more the people whom I have met and who help me (beyond what anybody could expect - in various ways) to get to my dreams while I help them as much as I can: initially these were @Sam, @Andrey Insarov (the founder of @it.com), @lazarus (Colin Smith, the founder/previous owner of flip.uk) and Chirstian from Sedo.. Then, got a huge boost from @Ryan Ewen, Ben of the Open-Xchange and James Williams of the MEF. .. now it is much easier..

I suppose sometimes you need to get lucky to get that initial push.

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@dee what about you? :)
 
Hi Helmuts,

Would you still have acquired Acorn if the opportunity to buy DNF presented itself first?

Also, have you considered merging the 2 forums?

Cheers,

DJ
 

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