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  1. Stephen United Kingdom

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    Looks to have fizzed out.... Nominet's gone silent on the numbers.
     
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    not 36,000

    Thanks for posting the news update link.

    The quote from the Press release;

    The 36% unique registrations, only relates the last week.

    As we know over 50,000 were registered in the first day, I think the number of unique registrations would be substantially less than the 36,000.

    Also the unique will probably include re-registration of dropped .co.uk where the rights are gone and the new .uk is registered.
     
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    Still murky. What was deleted over that period?

    Wish they would published the real values, right across the board.
     
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    Well spotted I should have re-read with them switching between actual numbers to percentages, lies damn lies and statistics. As ever the devil is in the detail indeed.

    Well at least there engaging a slight bit more
     
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    Yeah the devil is how many are drop caught from deletes, rather than "new unique" regs.
     
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    I would have thought very few. It would surprise me if more than 100 domains are being drop caught a day on average now...
     
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    I think its slightly more than 100 Edwin.

    When I used to keep track of daily catches (and same day regs) it was around 60-80 per day, with .uk it would potentially increase about 70%, I say 70% because not everyone is taking the .uk where the .co.uk is taken. So I'd 130 per day now.

    I'll scan my database, for a daily average later on, not sure I'll have time now.

    Edit: missed more out.
     
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    Completely out of date http://db.nominet.org.uk/ but even then they state "Monthly new registrations: 106,518" So these new .uk numbers don't look to flash.
     
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    this for the same period last year, I can't separate which are exact day drops, since I didn't log that until the end of 2013. This includes domains which dropped on say 1st June but were regged by 8th June, as I scanned the days drop list, 7 days previous, so each list was scanned twice a week apart.

     
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    Whether it's 100 or 130 (thanks for those historic numbers, btw - very interesting) it's still "a very small number" when you compare it to the total number of .uk being registered daily. Probably of the order of 4%-5% of daily .uk registrations. So important to us (within the "industry") but meaningless in the bigger picture.
     
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    some estimates....

    Best guess I have seen so far is 1759 .uk per day (after the initial pre-registration calm down) posted on another forum, from somebody how knows there numbers.

    if 36% of those are unique and not down to people excising there rights to UK.(% from press release)

    that would be 1759 x 36% = 633 .uk domains per day registered

    if the number of dropped domains from last year was repeated of 100 ish (Skinner thanks for the numbers) prior string were registered as .uk as the .co.uk expired.

    that would be 17% of new .uk registrations being old strings.

    That would be 83% totally new strings, which I assume is similar to the .co.uk % of new strings?

    There is a lot of estimating and I wish Nominet would release the figures so it can be shown what is happening in the UK namespace.

    Is there any way, The Public Register Search Service (PRSS) can be used to supply real data?
     
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    Just to put that in some sort of context, that would be approx. 2,000,000 registrations in 5 years at that pace. Remember, we're only 24 days into a 5 year process. In marathon terms, we've not yet finished the opening lap out of the stadium...

    Of course, there are a number of things holding back registrations at the moment (factors which may improve in future):
    A) Nominet's not mailed existing registrants yet, so many/most will still be in the dark about .uk
    B) Twitter doesn't resolve .uk domains as links
    C) Chrome doesn't resolve .uk domains without "www." but turns them into searches
    D) Nominet's ad campaign is more confusing than enlightening (lots of references to "LASER" and "SMS" and "SIM" and other things to try and conjure up the idea of "shorter" - but probably too subtle and too complicated for the low attention spans of today). That said, at least they are putting substantial marketing muscle behind it.
    E) Some registrars and especially some hosting companies still don't support .uk correctly
    F) No major sites are using .uk yet
    G) Domain investors aren't likely to duplicate the bulk of their portfolios until they absolutely have to
    H) Five years feels like "a long time" so there's no particular sense of urgency after the "keenest" people got their pre-registrations out of the way on day 1 of launch.
    I) There has been very very little time for new .uk users to start publicising their web addresses (by definition, 24 days minus however long it took them to register their .uk after Launch Day)

    I think it's fair to expect that some/most of the above will get better with time. Your guess is as good as mine as to exactly how much time each factor will take (they're generally not black/white anyway, apart from the buggy Twitter and Chrome behaviour)
     
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    You guys really need a hobby :D
     
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    In terms of "New Registrations".

    Nominet may have track those numbers if .co.uk was still the default.

    The folk that are registering .uk now are they getting the .co.uk too?
     
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    I have been able to find 15-20 examples a day (by mining Google - likely to only show a subset of all such cases) where new sites have taken the .uk but not the .co.uk.
     
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    So it could be users are just changing tracks from .co.uk to .uk, growth that would have been handled by .co.uk all along.

    If the numbers were really good Nominet would be far more transparent.
     
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    Can we not set aside this seeming knee-jerk need to constantly stick the boot into Nominet? There seem to be many, on this thread as elsewhere, who see everything that Nominet does in a negative way.

    It's getting to the point that it derails any attempt at analytical discussion - and it's extremely wearying as well.

    I am far from a cheerleader for Nominet - take a peek at http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ if you need a refresher to convince yourself of that - but just like most organisations they do some things brilliantly, some things well, some things averagely and some things less well or poorly. It's a continuum, not a cluster of points bunched up down the "we're doing a really lousy job" end of the spectrum.

    As such, why not see the data they've provided for what it is: an early glimpse at a process which we are less than 2% of the way through, and which in a very real sense hasn't even fully kicked off yet (until existing registrants are notified, most domain owners WILL remain oblivious) rather than as some kind of "proof" of Nominet's failings?

    None of us know what will happen within the next 5 years. But we know for a fact that registrants have by and large not been told about .uk yet (unless their registrar sent them something). And we also know for a fact that Nominet will be doing so directly in the near future. Once they've undertaken their notification campaign, we'll have a much better feel for the "real" pace of .uk takeup.

    I don't know if .co.uk will win the race at the end of 5 years. Time will tell, and it will get clearer and clearer as we start to approach the deadline.
    I don't know if .uk will win the race at the end of 5 years. Time will tell, and it will get clearer and clearer as we start to approach the deadline.
    I do know it's impossible to realistically judge the progress of the race before it's even fully underway.
     
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