How predictable...

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That the US has uncovered an evil plot by Iran.... a couple of weeks after President Ahrmedinajad made a speech to the UN stating 911 was an inside job.

And how predictable that our leader jumps in to say we will "support measures to bring Iran to account". Our 'special relationship' kicking in once more.

 

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my exact thoughts yesterday when I saw this
all major news outlets 'breaking' ther story at same time
on the 11th

now i really sound like a conspiracist lol

seriously, tbh I don't think they're that stupid, to wire 100k into a US bank and try to use mexicans to do dirty work
it is such a stupid story and we all know how the US have been surrounding Iran and building up to this
and a saudi ambassador lol
they try and make a story with a few statements joe public will understand
saudi, iranian terrorist, bombmaking etc

somehow I think Iran would be a bit more clever and do far more damage than that if they wanted to
gearing up nicely for the end of the world in 2012 if Iran v U.S kicks off

 

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"The idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder-for-hire to kill the Saudi ambassador, nobody could make that up, right?" she said.

The words of Hilary Clinton.

By stating this first, they can then deflect any future accusations relating to it.

 

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A Downing Street spokesman said:

"Directing an attack against another country is a flagrant violation of international law which calls for the strongest condemnation."


LOL!

so thats the present government and the last uk government banged to rights then

oh the sickening irony

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16087397

 

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And how do the US get away with drone strikes in countries such as Somalia and Yemen? I'm pretty sure that if France conducted a drone strike in Germany there'd be something said about it.

 

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I'm sure Liam Fox is grateful though, so he can get on with the 'real business of national security and protecting Britain'
just guessing at the soundbite
LOL!

 

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... and who was it that said...

... 'there's nothing like a good war to boost the economy'

 

[GreyWing]

That the US has uncovered an evil plot by Iran.... a couple of weeks after President Ahrmedinajad made a speech to the UN stating 911 was an inside job.

And how predictable that our leader jumps in to say we will "support measures to bring Iran to account". Our 'special relationship' kicking in once more.

But before he made the speech about 9/11 being an inside job, he was the USA's best friend? Even though for many years Iran was funding the insurgency in Iraq and killing British and US troops.

The fact is the US have done everything possible to avoid confrontation with Iran and have had every justification in the past to go to war if they wanted. So I don't really get what people are saying here.

 

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But before he made the speech about 9/11 being an inside job, he was the USA's best friend? Even though for many years Iran was funding the insurgency in Iraq and killing British and US troops.

Any proof on that? I mean, Iran funding insurgency in Iraq - when did they become allies?

The fact is the US have done everything possible to avoid confrontation with Iran and have had every justification in the past to go to war if they wanted. So I don't really get what people are saying here.

Please list something that would justify a war.

What I'm saying here, is that the US can't have a leader going round saying the Emporer is naked...look what happened to Benazir Bhutto when she let it slip.,

 

[GreyWing]

Any proof on that? I mean, Iran funding insurgency in Iraq - when did they become allies?

You serious? everyman and his dog knows the Iranian's were funding the shia militia, it's not a secret. They are not allies with Iraq, they are allies with shia's in Iraq, Saudi, Bahrain. It would be like the IRA are allies with Catholics, but not

Please list something that would justify a war.

The downing of the lockerbie jet (yes it was them, not Libya) because 3-4 years before the yanks shot down a Iranian passenger jet in the gulf. The bombing by hezbollah of the US base in Lebannon 1980's, funded and actioned by Iran.

These two hate each other, but they won't go to war. For some reason, the US over the last 10 years have got rid of most of the enemies of Iran; Saddam, Taliban, Al Quaeda they all hated Iran.

 

[mat]

and what was I saying about conspiracy theorists thinking EVERYTHING is a conspiracy...

 

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The fact is the US have done everything possible to avoid confrontation with Iran and have had every justification in the past to go to war if they wanted.

sorry Graeme had to lol at that one

It was the US who was funding and arming Iraq in the Iraq v Iran war and goading Saddam on
you remember when the UK and the US were best buddies with Saddam and Great British businesses were building his palaces and supplying him with arms

It was the US of all ironies also who supplied Saddam with weapons of mass destruction in the 1980's to use against the Iranians! Anthrax, amongst other things
It was these same chemicals that Saddam used against his own people, the Kurds
Such is the bitter sweet, sickening irony

 

[GreyWing]

sorry Graeme had to lol at that one

But they haven't been to war though have they?

It was the US who was funding and arming Iraq in the Iraq v Iran war and goading Saddam on
you remember when the UK and the US were best buddies with Saddam and Great British businesses were building his palaces and supplying him with arms

It was the US of all ironies also who supplied Saddam with weapons of mass destruction in the 1980's to use against the Iranians! Anthrax, amongst other things
It was these same chemicals that Saddam used against his own people, the Kurds
Such is the bitter sweet, sickening irony

I didn't think I posted anything that would contradict that. If you read back at what I wrote "For some reason, the US over the last 10 years have got rid of most of the enemies of Iran; Saddam, Taliban, Al Quaeda they all hated Iran."

I have no idea why they got rid of Saddam.

 

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I have no idea why they got rid of Saddam.

because Saddam wanted to change the currency in which oil is traded in from the petro dollar
this would destroy the US and their economic model

ironically all the wars the US has been indulging in it has succeeded in destroying itself, which is partially what a few individuals wanted
bit like Rome, fighting on all these fronts while Rome is falling
every dog has it's day. look no further than Blighty for that
we're on the downgrade year on year
but still try to act like a Global power, but can't afford to keep our senior citizens warm or pay our bills
or to keep servicemen returning from overseas in jobs!
they have p45's to look forward to when returning home

now the US has also been downgraded economically while we mention that
Iran is threatening to do exactly the same thing as Saddam did with oil prices
and the head of Opec is the head of the Republican guard!
you can't make it up

I don't have any particular love for Iran but if you look at things from their viewpoint I am amazed they are as reasonable to us and the US as they are

look into how we manipulated their whole society and political structures
affected the revolutions
look at 'anglo iranian oil'. read:' bp '

this is the sort of stuff they should be teaching at school
unfortunately mainstream education and nonsense on tv means the general public are as brainwashed in THIS country are as brainwashed as most in Russia and countries like them
only those who are prepared to research know the truth, or some way to the truth

 

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But they haven't been to war though have they?

They need a catalyst to do so, and the one that seems to work best on the American public is a threat against the good 'ol USofA. 911...WMD...and now a threat of terrorist action on US soil.

Ahmadinajad saying stuff about 911 etc....they can't afford to let that get too much publicity.

I have no idea why they got rid of Saddam.

Saddam threatened to change his payment for oil from UDS to EUROs. The result of that would be devastating to the dollar. Iran has also threatened the same about 6 months ago.

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There was an ex CIA guy on radio 5 this morning who said that the whole (current) story of this plot is too ridiculous for words...I was amazed; you rarely hear anyone get coverage when they have a viewpoint that goes against the official story.

 

[GreyWing]

I had a look into that a few years ago, it doesn't always stand up because on one hand you think yep it is correct. But the other hand, nobody would have bought the oil in Euro's or Yen. This is because countries like China hold Trillions and trillions of dollars, it isn't in their interest to crash it. So they wouldn't buy oil in Yen's.

Same with chavez Venezuela, if he could sell oil in another currency he would in a shot just to pee off the yanks. Thing is nobody would buy it except in dollars because it would crash the whole Global system.

It's a huge ponzi system the way the dollar is sold and will eventually collapse but I don't think it was behind the 2003 invasion. Saddam had been saying he was going to do it for 13 years, so his threats were nothing new to 2003 by the way.

Just to say though we are diverting a bit off the path from what happened yesterday.. The yanks won't go to war with Iran, now Isreal is a completely different story. One bunch of religious nutters v another bunch of religious nutters could happen.

 

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The yanks won't go to war with Iran,

I would hope for humanity's sake you are right
the yanks couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag

unfortunately they do have Iran surrounded, already though

it is an unwinnable war
Iranians are about as hardline as you can get if screwed with and the country is VAST

they also have cells all over the world and it would be a global war of terrorism kicking off anywhere and everywhere daily, and a war on a scale that would require national service here and in the US

Afghanistan and Iraq are abject failures after a decade
Iran would be 10 times harder

 

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I had a look into that a few years ago, it doesn't always stand up because on one hand you think yep it is correct. But the other hand, nobody would have bought the oil in Euro's or Yen. This is because countries like China hold Trillions and trillions of dollars, it isn't in their interest to crash it. So they wouldn't buy oil in Yen's.

Same with chavez Venezuela, if he could sell oil in another currency he would in a shot just to pee off the yanks. Thing is nobody would buy it except in dollars because it would crash the whole Global system.

It's a huge ponzi system the way the dollar is sold and will eventually collapse but I don't think it was behind the 2003 invasion. Saddam had been saying he was going to do it for 13 years, so his threats were nothing new to 2003 by the way.

Just to say though we are diverting a bit off the path from what happened yesterday.. The yanks won't go to war with Iran, now Isreal is a completely different story. One bunch of religious nutters v another bunch of religious nutters could happen.

Sell it cheap enough and there will be people to buy it. France and Germany were potential buyers, and France were very vocal against the invasion of Iraq.

 

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This is probably the best, quick summary you will find of the actual history and chain of events
very little on Iraq, but mainly Iran v UK/U.S relations, recent history
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsJEOKQZ_4

and what was I saying about conspiracy theorists thinking EVERYTHING is a conspiracy...

and essential viewing for you young man

 

[GreyWing]

Nothing there that proves 9/11 was a cover up though..

All it proves is that the UK and US are hypocrites, we already knew that mate.