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Another new DRS just appeared online:

http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/8924_mercer.pdf

The fact that the Respondent uses the Domain Name for the purposes of Google advertising does not protect it from the fact that its main objective is to sell the domain name for a profit. As proof of this, the Respondent makes an explicit offer for sale of the Domain Name on the MERCER.CO.UK web site, asking for no less than “£995, €1450, $1830 or equivalent, and the price of this domain name may be much higher.”

So should he have created a textile shopping site instead?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mercer
 
What's the adjudicator's problem, it isn't illegal to sell domain names. The company paid £750 plus legal team instead of just the £950, it shows you should just ask for £10,000 then let them get on with it, pathetic.

And they mention out of pocket costs when is nominet going to remove this bloody stupid bit of wording? Time and time again defenders of Nominet say how much their staff should earn an hour in justifcation of the fees charged for transfer before they were dropped on release of due information, and here they state a person should only earn £6 plus out of pocket costs, so put in the DRS reply, out of pocket costs are £250 an hour and the time it took to watch and register and plan a catch and then deal with any offers and COMPLAINTS. Making £125,000 so stick it up your arse.

REMOVE THE WORDING!

Also there's slander in that DRS, get your solicitor on to them.

It's a bad decision and the adjudicator should have stated, pay the man the amount of money for the domain name instead of the £10000 it's taken you to get this far.

Bad decision. Change the wording nominet, who are you to say what is out of pocket expenses, respondents need to put £250 an hour in the DRS defence from now own. Job done. Nice use by the complainant on British TM law, summed it right up, it's a load of rollocks.

I'd have replied "I regd the domain name because I bloody wanted to you yank"

*I wouldn't have regd the domain nor got a chance but shows the company has too much money and would rather go all round the houses than pay the little man who had the better idea of buying a surname domain they forgot about.
 
rights

By ordering the transfer and not cancelling and making re-available has the expert decided the law in respect to a who has 'highest rights'. The expert has been made aware that the name represents a surname and therefore 'rights' aren't just rights relating to the complainant.

As EURID told me......A Trade Mark holder may THINK they have higher rights but it doesn't necessarily imply that they do...they went on to say that the only place to resolve the issue is in a court or arbitration proceeding.....I will have to get the email out but it read something like that

Given that the expert has shown trade mark holders at the top of the tree then I would expect the Policy to reflect this

Lee
 
It is apparent that the Respondent believed that the Domain Name
would attract potential purchasers, which would include the Complainant.


So the judgement is that a registration is abusive if you think that you will be able to sell it.
The registrant said he had never heard of this company, so what gives them a claim?
 
Yet again this is why in order to be fair to everyone the DRS must be aligned with Trademark laws and rules and then everyone knows where they stand. WHY do Nominet, and indeed WIPO, consider that selling domains for more than you bought them for is a "crime" ?????. If Nominet dont want people reselling domains for a profit then they should make it a rule and bar speculators altogether, but of course they wont do that.

DG
 
Makin a profit

Nominet's structure is based in part on fee paying memberships, amongst which a number of drop catching tag holders who are, depending on the names they acquire, able to sell them on, a situation which has been known and accepted for many years. Although a not for profit organisation itself, one presumes that as a limited company its records will reflect it makes corporate profits against which it will pay corporation tax.
To publically bar people from making a profit from the sale of domain names would in fact be counter productive to them, as it aligns them more towards the requirements of a government body, and would only serve the wishes of those who would like it to be so.
One should be thankful that Nominet is currently structured in this way, as there is no way on earth that a government body would allow for private members to be given the advantages of the current tag holder structure. All government bodies which are required to provide public services must do so in an even handed and fair manner to the public. On this basis though, it would be in Nominet's interests to clarify its acceptance of making a profit, else it will find itself more exposed to the calls of those wishing to see it made more accountable to government.
 
It follows that this has probably attracted visitors to the Domain Name website thereby resulting in a profit to the Respondent with each click on the related Google links, thereby taking unfair advantage of the Complainant’s Rights.

So now they are saying having Google Adsense on your domain can help you lose it!
 
admin said:
So now they are saying having Google Adsense on your domain can help you lose it!

The main is an idiot, and below is the proof and I don't care how many letters he has after his name. Probably five, i d i o t.
 
Another stinker!

I would get in touch will M&S and Mercer Dial Guages and get them to issue DRS's too.

Mercer Dial Guages has held a patent since 1944.

Then let's see how the "expert" deals with that!
 
Ellis said:
Another stinker!

I would get in touch will M&S and Mercer Dial Guages and get them to issue DRS's too.

Mercer Dial Guages has held a patent since 1944.

Then let's see how the "expert" deals with that!

It would be a different expert so wouldn't matter, if it was the same one then they could have a merry go round as they wouldn't be able to backtrack on the inane rubbish they wrote beforehand without handing back everybody's money.

Edit: and domain.
 
money back guarantee

....handing back everybody's money.

That is certainly minimum Nominet should do!!!

Are they selling an illgeal item...A domain name is named prior to contract...I would therefore return it...its was never fit for the purpose...get your money back

Lee
 
It makes a mockery of the first come first served basis Nominet are always on about.

The whois for mercer.co.uk shows it was regged by IMO in 2004 -

If this 2 bit recruitment consultants that nobodys ever heard of registered mercer.com in 1992, you'd have thought they'd have come in much earlier for this name.

Or maybe they've been waiting for a better chance of winning the DRS.

Another "expert" with blood on his hands
 
Points of view.

Having read the DRS a few points of view to yet again another DRS with a dubious outcome.

The expert seems to have really been overwed by the international business interests if the extensive initial history of the mercer group. In reality they have rights but that is limited to being a company with the same name as the domain, and in having trademarks in the certain area of expertise. In itself this is NO right to own the registration to the uk domain name, which is by Nominets own policy on a first come first served basis. That the current registrant has no direct relationship to the name... which is a common british surname! is NOT relevent.

The Respondent has no right to or legitimate interest in the Mark MERCER or the Domain Name.

The complainant has summarised 2 totally different issues. 1 rights to the domain, and rights of ownership of registration. As stated above part 2 is based solely on a first come first served basis. That exterts also make this invalid assumption is invalid logic.

The Complainants have never authorized the Respondent or its predecessors to utilize any of their marks, nor do the Complainants have any relationship or association whatsoever with the Respondent. Any use to which the Respondent might put the Domain Name would violate the Complainants’ trademark rights.

Has the complainant had prior contact with the respondent. Has the complainant tried to pass off themselves in the sector, or compromised the trademarks? NO. Has the respondent registered the domain with the intent of actively selling it to the complainant or their competitors? NO. Is this registration abusive as defined by policy3a(i)(ii)(iii). Clearly NO.

And 3(ii) & 3(iii) clearly not relevent.

So how is this an abusive registration?

The only activity, which the Respondent has engaged in with respect to the Domain Name is that of openly offering to sell the domain name to interested buyers...
Again a recognised and accepted practice. I REALLY REALLY wish that the DRS 'validation' procedure involved not only whether its under the 2000 works and has all the necessary documentation, but that there is also a pre-processing checklist for basic policy fullfilment.

It's interesting that the DRS dispute brochure wording says
'The respondent will generally want to show that they had a legitimate reason
for registering the domain name, and that their registration was not designed
to take advantage of the Complainant’s rights.'
Now this is an issue which REALLY needs to be explained fully at the PAB etc meetings. If Nominet operate on a f-c-f-s basis then that is legitimate reason. You shouldn't have to explain any current or future use, and a parked or dormant domain should not be detrimental to the rights of registration.

Moving on:
On April 24, 2006, the Complainants placed the Respondent on notice of their rights in and to the MERCER mark and their extensive and exclusive use of such mark in the U.K. The Complainants demanded that the Respondent transfer MERCER.CO.UK to them. The Respondent has not offered any plausible, legitimate purpose for its registration of the Domain Name.

Now this is big business in full flow. Why is an international company moving into the UK sector have an automatic right to the .uk domain name? It doesn't. Mercer were clearly in the wrong in demanding retrospective registration rights. This is an issue which the PAB need to iterate strongly. Otherwise this will happen again and again, and more frrequently. In past discussions on this board we have indicated this and Nominet promised this to be clearly defined on the website drs notes.

The Complainant replies that the Respondent’s registration constitutes an abusive registration because it clearly registered the Domain Name with a view to blocking the Complainant and with the ultimate objective of provoking an offer to purchase the Domain Name at a price far in excess of the Respondent’s out of pocket expenses. Accordingly, it is clear that the Respondent registered the domain name primarily with a view to selling it to the Complainant at a profit.

Again a clear misinterpretation of the 'blocking' definition. This is the proactive registration with full and explicit knowledge of the complainants company with the full intention to deny the complainant the registration rights to the domain.
And again domain sales and domain resales business is a recognised and established and accepted practice both for the .uk and all other major tld's and that domains have an intrinsic business value greatly in excess of the out-of-pocket transaction value.

Further, it is clear that Respondent registered the Domain Name to block the Complainant, and for the purpose of unfairly disrupting the business of the Complainant. The Complainant has had to expend large sums of money in defending against the Respondent’s act of cyber-squatting, and in seeking proper transfer of the subject Domain Name.

What??


Ok moving on to the 'expert decision'.

Policy 3a(i)(a) is crucial.
3a i. Circumstances indicating that the Respondent has registered or otherwise acquired the Domain Name primarily:

A.for the purposes of selling, renting or otherwise transferring the Domain Name to the Complainant or to a competitor of the Complainant, for valuable consideration in excess of the Respondent's documented out-of-pocket costs directly associated with acquiring or using the Domain Name;

From the expert:
Whilst there is no direct evidence that the Respondent’s primary purpose in registering the Domain Name was to sell it at a profit to the Complainant or a competitor of the Complainant, the Expert finds it difficult to believe that the Respondent was not aware of the Complainant’s website when it registered the Domain Name in 2004. Furthermore, the Respondent has not produced any evidence of demonstrable preparations to use the Domain Name as an e-mail service or why it chose to register the name Mercer.

Deeply disturbing. The expert has clearly made 2 assumptions and misjudgements.
i. That the respondent must have known about the complainant pre-registration and that they registsered the domain name primarily with the intent to sell to the complainant or a competitor of the complaiant. Clearly the expert on the basis of the evidence provided can NOT make this decision. NO NO NO. This is a subjective leap of judgement which has no place in a drs, as has the expert doing their own research based on incorrect usage of search engine results.

ii. That having no current plans to develop or develop the domain is evidence of abuse.

The expert clearly states that 3(a)(1)(c) has NOT been proven then states that
MERCER has a high profile in the business and financial community. It follows that this has probably attracted visitors to the Domain Name website thereby resulting in a profit to the Respondent with each click on the related Google links, thereby taking unfair advantage of the Complainant’s Rights.[\QUOTE]

The expert assumes that the primary use of the word 'mercer' is as a descriptor of business and financial services, igoring the root of the word and the countless other defined uses of it. AND that the respondent is making advantage of the complainant by placing adverts on the site:

The fact thaat:
1.The adverts have NO relation to the sectors of the complainant. They advertise geneology,and that;
2.Parking of the domain is and has been clearly demonstrated as proof of policy 4(a)(ii)

Is this the experts 'opinion' now coming out?

The policy states that the complainant has to PROVE rights and abuse. There has been an increasing trend towards the experts working off the principle that because a complainant has proved rights that the registrant has now to prove that they have legitimate rights. This is clearly NOT policy and is a trend that HAS TO STOP. This is a fundemental flaw in the drs workings that the PAB has to address and if necessary re-educate the experts.

The domain sales & resales business is established and accepted. This has to be clearly recognised by the PAB and so by extension the experts.

Domain parking and affiliate advertising are a recognised and accepted use of a domain. And that dormant and or no current development of the domain is NOT evidence to be used as abusive registration.
As a caveat to this adverts trading off the rights of the complainanty, excluding the generic sectors pertaining to the domain name, are to be avoided.

What does it take to become an 'expert' maybe I should put my name forward

Stephen
 
Disagree sliightly

I disagree slightly with stephen.

The mark mercer is a surname and company/business name(s)....there are many 'rights' holders linked to this name.

However its not generic in the sense its a common word/term.

The question is... did the respondent intend to use the name for email etc... or did he just buy it to sell to one of these 'rights' holders? The expert (in my opnion) came to the conclusion that the respondent took advantage of 'rights' holders. The respondent gave no evidence to show that he intended to use the name for email, INSTEAD he set up ppc and added a for sale sign.

The confusion comes in the remedy. Just because the complaint complained does not give him unequivocal rights to the name...I personally think it should have been cancelled and made re-available on a first come first served basis.....BUT maybe the respondent should have been given an opportunity to honour what he said he wanted to do ie...email for many 'rights' holders........everyone makes mistakes even the Patent Office

Lee
 
IMO brilliant post Stephen.

Lee says - and makes a good point

"The confusion comes in the remedy. Just because the complaint complained does not give him unequivocal rights to the name...I personally think it should have been cancelled and made re-available on a first come first served basis..."

But according to the wording of this DRS, the only people who are allowed rights to this name are people called "Mercer", company's with "Mercer" in their trading name or entities with trademarks containing the word "Mercer".

So theoretically, who has the right to own smiths.co.uk?

Smiths Crisps
WH Smiths
An organisation thats spent (place your own figure) on catching dropping domain names and parks them
or
Anyone or business called Smith.

It's beyond me.
 
...and if the current PAB does nothing?

The sanction is to vote them off one by one. A candidate wishing to be elected on this issue simply needs to publish a manifesto declaring the present DRS process faulty and in need of a revamp. Then we will see from the voting just how much of an issue DRS Decisions are to the electorate. Some on the PAB need removing generally due to their overly compliant attitudes.

What the DRS needs is oversight of Decisions vis-a-vis the wording of the Policy. Experts have to be told to go away and think again if they have clearly misinterpreted the wording. The wording is quite precise. Otherwise 'disrepute'.
 
I have asked Nominet

Ellis, I asked Nominet whether it is ok to buy a rights name that you will use in a manner that helps many rights holders....Nominet wouldn't tell me...so I am left in the dark AGAIN....

Examples:-

yellow pages...google all do the same...make money out of rights holders...what does 118 500 do???......they run a directory of names and make money from it.............

TO NOMINET:-

WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY A DOMAIN NAME UNTIL YOU EDUCATE US HOW TO ACT WITH IT........UNFAIR TO EXPECT TOO MUCH OF US WHEN THE PATENT OFFICE CAN'T ACCURATELY ASSESS RIGHTS...GIVE US A CHANCE TO MAKE GOOD ANY WRONG WHEN WE USE WHAT WE THINK IS A GENERIC DOMAIN NAME

Lee
 
Good discussion, nice post Stephen.

I own the .co.uk for my surname, the .COM is owned by a huge mining Company in Canada - what happen sif they decide they want to move into the UK market? Based on the Mercer decision I could well lose it...

Thank god there is nothing left worth mining in the UK :)
 
admin said:
Good discussion, nice post Stephen.

I own the .co.uk for my surname, the .COM is owned by a huge mining Company in Canada - what happen sif they decide they want to move into the UK market? Based on the Mercer decision I could well lose it...

Thank god there is nothing left worth mining in the UK :)

Part of the experts reasoning is that IMO didn't have rights to the domain because they don't have reason to have the name. You do.

Saying that, what about most of the surnames (and by relation placenames) in the uk. Tha vast majority are NOT owner by people with 'surname' rights. A lot are owned by cumulative registrants owning large numbers of them and providing information links. Is this a valid use of them. This case clearly goes against this!!

Ok so this DRS is not about a generic, but the above applies.
 
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