Sedo Sale: pensionreview.co.uk (3,000 GBP)

[Acorn Newsbot]

Price: 3,000 GBP

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[Murray]

Price: 3,000 GBP

see Sedo latest sales

I think I really need to study what names are and aren't worth anything because if someone offered me pensionreview for the reg fee I would have said no thanks.

 

[bb99]

I think I really need to study what names are and aren't worth anything because if someone offered me pensionreview for the reg fee I would have said no thanks.

This is precisely what I love about the domain name business. I'm constantly surprised and/or completely disgusted by the prices that some domains sell for. It keeps me on my toes and reminds me that I do not and will not ever know everything!

 

[websaway]

I think I really need to study what names are and aren't worth anything because if someone offered me pensionreview for the reg fee I would have said no thanks.

That's why new domainers buy rubbish, it becomes a just incase thing.
And when they look back on what they bought they cringe.

The truth is you never know what might push someone's button but you can narrow the odds down by size of industry and number of permutations of the subject domain.
Without experience it is very challenging.
What might help is to try to put yourself in the position of the defined end user.

 

[Systreg]

Quintessential Finance Group bought this, and I'm sure they'll make good use of it in the pensions sector and soon get their initial outlay back.

 

[Murray]

That's why new domainers buy rubbish, it becomes a just incase thing.
And when they look back on what they bought they cringe.

The truth is you never know what might push someone's button but you can narrow the odds down by size of industry and number of permutations of the subject domain.
Without experience it is very challenging.

Id would like to think I can tell what's worth something if it's glaringly obvious, like single word brandables for instance, recently names like cosmic and linked I would have loved to get.

Also I seem to be constantly looking at the whois for expiring domains owned by "A Hugh", and from what I can tell if he has them I assume they're worth something.

 

[websaway]

Quintessential Finance Group bought this, and I'm sure they'll make good use of it in the pensions sector and soon get their initial outlay back.

should not be difficult to recoup 3k
I think the inherent value of a quality domain is massively undervalued, because potential end users are confused through inexperienced advice. When you think of the amount that is spent in other areas while most scrimp on the most important part, the domain name, and now the industry, because of the big g thing, are spreading the message that emd's have no valuew when really, quality product and industry exact match domains are more valuable than ever.
So the knowledgeable get richer.

 

[Systreg]

Also I seem to be constantly looking at the whois for expiring domains owned by "A Hugh", and from what I can tell if he has them I assume they're worth something.

Just because someone owns a lot of domains, does not mean they are all of worth

 

[websaway]

Id would like to think I can tell what's worth something if it's glaringly obvious, like single word brandables for instance, recently names like cosmic and linked I would have loved to get.

Also I seem to be constantly looking at the whois for expiring domains owned by "A Hugh", and from what I can tell if he has them I assume they're worth something.

Well identifying those two wasn't exactly rocket science, was it ?

 

[Murray]

Well identifying those two wasn't exactly rocket science, was it ?

lol Indeed, but those are the type of things I would hope to get (very unlikely or not), rather than registering a lot of things on the off change they might be worth something.

Just because someone owns a lot of domains, does not mean they are all of worth

Oh no I know, but australian, recycled, closely etc are nice enough.

 

[websaway]

A good example of industry specific domains is CivilEngineering.co.uk
It's owned by Britcon
I and I'm sure thousands of others would not have heard of this company if we had to come across Britcon, now that may not matter unless they want their name to be found and be recognised .
Have a look at the work they do and how much a customer can be worth to them and then tell me if CivilEngineering.co.uk might be worth a few thousand to them.

 

[namealot]

I think I really need to study what names are and aren't worth anything because if someone offered me pensionreview for the reg fee I would have said no thanks.

Remember just because someone’s bought something doesn’t mean its worth what they paid ? also lost count of domain “sales” that aren’t (not saying this is one) or if its 3 now was it 5 when the market was strong, markets change all the time and with the new uk around the corner names that could be eligible for pre land rush purchases could mean two for the price of one etc

If buyer and seller are both happy then that’s a good sale the real trick is buy low sell at peak a lesson some may regret with the new UK..

 

[Systreg]

with the new uk around the corner names that could be eligible for pre land rush purchases could mean two for the price of one etc

Not as it currently stands, as Nominet said there was a cut off point prior to whatever qualifying date they set, so if you bought or caught a domain after the cut off date, you wouldn't have unregistered rights to the .uk version of it if they bring those out. Can't remember the exact details, it's somewhere in the documentation and mentioned in the .UK Announced topic.

[edit]

Found it, in this document, go to section K:

http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nominet_FINAL_electronic_form1.pdf

It states:

Domain names registered in the third level may constitute an unregistered right provided evidence of use could be show prior to the qualifying date. We believe that an appropriate qualifying date three months prior to the publication of this consultation is necessary in order to counter speculative activity that would have an undue impact on other party's rights.

 

[namealot]

Not as it currently stands, as Nominet said there was a cut off point prior to whatever qualifying date they set, so if you bought or caught a domain after the cut off date, you wouldn't have unregistered rights to the .uk version of it if they bring those out. Can't remember the exact details, it's somewhere in the documentation and mentioned in the .UK Announced topic.

[edit]

Found it, in this document, go to section K:

http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nominet_FINAL_electronic_form1.pdf

It states:

My belief is new registration, or ones that didn’t meet the required eligibility standard set out by nom (cut off etc) had no rights.

But names purchased that meet the requirements set by nom ( regged long enough ago , devloped, proof of use etc )those rights automatically pass to the new owner.?

E.g. Third party buys name thats already trading via its co,uk etc it meet whatever the required eligibility set out by nom was. The third party would automatically be granted right to apply to pre register (not that they would necessarily get the name as there could be trademark holders, business etc also eligible ) but the pre registration right would be there..? Is that not so ?

I’m not aware if the name does or doesn’t have eligibility just that this is a route some may proceed down should a pre registered co.uk name meet the requirements?

 

[namdas]

Although the company in question could have gone for any number of names, you can see the pension industry has more potential for a 'brandable' than most

- applies to a huge number of people IN UK but
- has very low search volume relevant to market size and
- can have a huge value per lead/sale

In this case search volume tho welcome is pretty irrelevant, and a broader marketing strategy will be needed, therefore a name that perhaps suits a unique hook or pr angle is more helpful than a domain purely valued on its exacts

 

[Systreg]

My belief is new registration, or ones that didn’t meet the required eligibility standard set out by nom (cut off etc) had no rights.

But names purchased that meet the requirements set by nom ( regged long enough ago , devloped, proof of use etc )those rights automatically pass to the new owner.?

E.g. Third party buys name thats already trading via its co,uk etc it meet whatever the required eligibility set out by nom was. The third party would automatically be granted right to apply to pre register (not that they would necessarily get the name as there could be trademark holders, business etc also eligible ) but the pre registration right would be there..? Is that not so ?

The way I read it was that is not the case, the cut off point was placed to prevent things such as this, and newly regged, caught or bought names would be owned as of the date of purchase/registration, and no rights would carry forward from any existing owner in respect of previous domain history in the case of any domains bought.

That would fit with the "in order to counter speculative activity that would have an undue impact on other party's rights" part of my previous posts Nominet quote, otherwise people could go around buying names purely with the intention of getting themselves the matching .uk if they're released, that is what the cut off point is designed to circumvent, that's how I read it anyway.

 

[namealot]

The way I read it was that is not the case, the cut off point was placed to prevent things such as this, and newly regged, caught or bought names would be owned as of the date of purchase/registration, and no rights would carry forward from any existing owner in respect of previous domain history in the case of any domains bought.

That would fit with the "in order to counter speculative activity that would have an undue impact on other party's rights" part of my previous posts Nominet quote, otherwise people could go around buying names purely with the intention of getting themselves the matching .uk if they're released, that is what the cut off point is designed to circumvent, that's how I read it anyway.

Caught would fall under the same category as newly regged? Possibly different if a name was dropped and subsequently re instated although I interpret that as name and owner being same legally did it drop?

But bought would depend how and from whom, what is was before.

You take control of a ltd company etc called “company a” it is the registered keeper of companya,co,uk the company is an entity in itself it has not changed how can its rights be affected. The registered keepers name with nom would not change how would nom know? Even if it did my belief is the company (being an entity like a third person)its rights had not changed just the owner of the company (Possibly dependant on terms of the sale taking on all liabilities rights etc)

This may differ with an incorporation or change of company name or possibly a sole trader but can’t really see nom doing that?

I thought they just wanted names to be used and not grant grandfather rights automatically to the owners of the existing co,uk that had done nothing with them or stop speculators basically domainers

Bit confused now lol

 

[cc976a]

should not be difficult to recoup 3k
I think the inherent value of a quality domain is massively undervalued, because potential end users are confused through inexperienced advice. When you think of the amount that is spent in other areas while most scrimp on the most important part, the domain name, and now the industry, because of the big g thing, are spreading the message that emd's have no valuew when really, quality product and industry exact match domains are more valuable than ever.
So the knowledgeable get richer.

Just looking at this name again. Now £3k to a large corporation is chicken feed. If businesses were advised, or understood better the marketing hook (conscious or subconscious) on a descriptive and generic name they'd be a ton more sales......

.....but if you go to a site like PensionReview.co.uk you'd immediately think 'independent'. A financial service company buying a domain such as this to either 'review' their own offering of review companies they broker for sounds a little 'iffy'.

Perhaps they have a different angle but it would be like visiting BroadbandReview.co.uk hoping to get some independent information and advice on making an informed choice, and then realizing it was owned and operated by BT.

With so much now in way of 'referral by recommendation en mass' on the net, I can only see good quality review domains at least hold, or increase in value.