So, why are people still punting

[julian]

on mediocre LL.co.uk's and brandables on DL, with no certainty about the future of .UK amongst a horrific recession..

what I need to know, is where they see the value that I don't - maybe I'm missing out.. (or maybe I don't have a clue about the market any more)

It must be speculation based on no .UK and an upturn one day.

 

[foz]

I'm sitting on my hands at present. If others want to roll the dice......

Even if the .co.uk owner gets the .uk, the whole space is going to be a bloody mess.

 

[Alien]

Pure impulse buy for me the other day for a LLL.co.uk @ £75. For the price it was a no brainer, lol. :mrgreen:

 

[boxfish]

Pure impulse buy for me the other day for a LLL.co.uk @ £75. For the price it was a no brainer, lol. :mrgreen:

Any Xylophone Questions?
Are X-Rays Quick?
All X-men Quotes?

What plans do you have for it?

Not knocking it but don't understand what makes it a 'no-brainer'.

 

[Skinner]

I own about 7-8 maybe 9 LLLs which contain one of QXZ in them, and I don't think combined they have had as much interest as any single one of the llls without those letters.

Would I pick another up ? If the x or q was the first letter, and could be branded as Xclusive/Xtra or Quick then maybe but anything else pointless.

Should .co.uk owners be given .uk then in the initial boom setup a url shortening scipt and sell sell sell.

Edit:
I'm still buying because I'm still selling to end users

 

[Bailey]

And me being mostly the 'Brandable' type. I can say with some certainty, that I'm not buying in the UK market, today or in the future. I've done OK due to a lot of the Co.uk's I offer, I had and sold, or still have the .com.

But, even where I've sold the .com I've never had a buyer that has been remotely interested in taking the co.uk (I accept they are all overseas buyers). My Uk holdings are now down to about half of their peak and still falling rapidly.

Anyway I've learnt to accept that 'Brandables' are Shinning Stars of the .com world but on the whole, just don't work in the UK market

 

[jasman]

People always feel pessimistic during the downward half of business cycles but those with a long term perspective have always picked up bargains during the low points. This is true for all kinds of assets.

 

[foz]

People always feel pessimistic during the downward half of business cycles but those with a long term perspective have always picked up bargains during the low points. This is true for all kinds of assets.

.uk is a paradigm shift to the UK structure. Business cycles don't even come into play IMO. If .uk happens, .co.uk will be on the same comparable value as .org.uk today. Certainly not an asset worthy of investment (that is above reg. fee).

 

[namealot]

tulipomania....

 

[Nigel]

.uk is a paradigm shift to the UK structure. Business cycles don't even come into play IMO. If .uk happens, .co.uk will be on the same comparable value as .org.uk today. Certainly not an asset worthy of investment (that is above reg. fee).

If .uk goes ahead I think .co.uk will be seriously devalued - but decent descriptive domains should, in my opinion, command a value above current .org.uk values. But I also think that the new .uk will not be as valuable as the present .co.uk simply because the .uk value will be dragged down by the existence of the .co.uk brand running alongside it. I think the winner from this messy situation will be .com

 

[websaway]

If .uk goes ahead I think .co.uk will be seriously devalued - but decent descriptive domains should, in my opinion, command a value above current .org.uk values. But I also think that the new .uk will not be as valuable as the present .co.uk simply because the .uk value will be dragged down by the existence of the .co.uk brand running alongside it. I think the winner from this messy situation will be .com

You are all posting as if .uk is imminent.
Have I missed something ?
Billions would be wiped off co.uk values and the values of online uk businesses and that's apart from the damage that's already been done, it would be a lawyers banquet.

 

[Murray]

Seems to be quite a negative thread.

I've had a very positive experience catching and selling domains to not only domainers but end users over the past few months

If the right oppertunity comes along I wouldn't be worried about reinvesting that money in a co.uk

From my perspective all the doom and gloom seems to only exist in the minds of certain people currently.

 

[Alien]

...But I also think that the new .uk will not be as valuable as the present .co.uk simply because the .uk value will be dragged down by the existence of the .co.uk brand running alongside it. I think the winner from this messy situation will be .com

Indeed - look how many years it's taken for jo bloggs on the street to recognise .co.uk and .org.uk etc - .uk, if it goes ahead, will confuse the hell out of people for a long time. :twisted:

 

[foz]

I'm just being prudent. We all have the warning that the music may stop so why take the gamble? Agree with Nigel, it will be a mess with two tier .co.uk and .uk domains in play, so head for .com to reduce the confusion for users. That's what the Guardian.co.uk is doing > TheGuardian.com. I have no pleasure in coming to this conclusion having invested £100Ks in the current .co.uk structure, but I definitely will not be bleeding my funds any further (apart from reg. fee) until Nominet come out with a categorical statement For or Against .uk.

 

[GreyWing]

I'm just being prudent. We all have the warning that the music may stop so why take the gamble? Agree with Nigel, it will be a mess with two tier .co.uk and .uk domains in play, so head for .com to reduce the confusion for users. That's what the Guardian.co.uk is doing > TheGuardian.com. I have no pleasure in coming to this conclusion having invested £100Ks in the current .co.uk structure, but I definitely will not be bleeding my funds any further (apart from reg. fee) until Nominet come out with a categorical statement For or Against .uk.

Especially as you have extra risk mate of not knowing if you will be allowed to even by .uk's by being based in NZ.

I've reduced my holdings down from 750 to 325 since .uk was announced and will drop to about 30. I'm starting to develop a few on .com's now. Got a decent sized new project launching in the next week or so.

I'm not just having a go at Nominet's board here, Minister's and Government don't seem to understand the basics. They don't react when something as major as .uk is proposed (regardless of the rights and wrongs of it), instead leaving the decision down to 6 unelected people, a board involved in deception. What could go wrong....?

If that was a .com then the whole US Government would be all over it wanting to know what was going on.

So even if they ditch .uk, I'm still not going to be convinced to start re-investing again to be honest.

 

[foz]

Especially as you have extra risk mate of not knowing if you will be allowed to even by .uk's by being based in NZ.

My Solicitor informs me of a work around if Im so inclined

 

[Bailey]

............From my perspective all the doom and gloom seems to only exist in the minds of certain people currently.

NO, As many have said.. "It is just being Prudent"

I certainly have invested heavily in .co.uk since 1999, (thankfully equally in .com) to have paid the renewals for nigh-on 14 years to then drop many, is painful. But I do know when to cut or at least minimise my potential losses.

There was a time when 10% asking price of a .com value for the .co.uk was pretty acceptable and a fair judgement call. Try pulling that one today (yes I know there are examples to be had - but they are few and far between)

 

[Murray]

After reading foz and baileys posts I can certainly see the difference in my relatively small outlay on a nominet membership and dropsystem script compared to having spent a lot of money over the years..

I guess it's a lot easier for me to be positive without so much at stake.

Apologies.

 

[websaway]

After reading foz and baileys posts I can certainly see the difference in my relatively small outlay on a nominet membership and dropsystem script compared to having spent a lot of money over the years..

I guess it's a lot easier for me to be positive without so much at stake.

Apologies.

Some of the posts don't ring true to me. I would like to see a list to judge the quality of the names that have been let go, and for anyone who has a 1999 .co.uk and is not renewing at this time, when uncertainty still exists, just wouldn't make sense.
So for me nothing has changed, it's quality not quantity, but quality co.uk names are still a very good investment.

 

[websaway]

NO, As many have said.. "It is just being Prudent"

I certainly have invested heavily in .co.uk since 1999, (thankfully equally in .com) to have paid the renewals for nigh-on 14 years to then drop many, is painful. But I do know when to cut or at least minimise my potential losses.

There was a time when 10% asking price of a .com value for the .co.uk was pretty acceptable and a fair judgement call. Try pulling that one today (yes I know there are examples to be had - but they are few and far between)

Are you sure this is fact ?
You sold a name for £75 this week which wasn't up for long, it wasn't a good name so surely you would list 1999 names in the fixed price section before letting them go.