Is it just me or ........................

Slater · Aug 9, 2006

paravan said:
Nomninet DAc system and drop random mechanism is flawless until another flaw has been found

If todays top catcher has dicovered a flaw in Nominet system then hats off to him for his ingenuity.

Please Nominet sort it out for next time so the rest of us can have a chance.

paravan · Aug 9, 2006

Slater said:
If todays top catcher has dicovered a flaw in Nominet system then hats off to him for his ingenuity.

Please Nominet sort it out for next time so the rest of us can have a chance.

It was a J/K. I told the same thing when another TAG got 24 names out of 24 hours period and nominet said it is normal. Then I had PMs from that tag to stop talking then a few days later 303 second bug was discovered.

aqls · Aug 9, 2006

When the catchers are better than the controllers, the catchers are in charge.

Lucky we can trust the present catchers to not get right into the system and take all the domains . . .

-aqls-

retired_member9 · Aug 9, 2006

aqls said:
-aqls-

Thanks dude.
It helps to know that there is still someone who believes in honest play.
It's just some couldn't see all available playground..

retired_member6 · Aug 10, 2006

I've said this before and nominet don't take any notice, as long as it's a human doing the dropping, then the system will be sussed. Get a dumb monkey in and it will be a little bit more random but not by much. :mrgreen:

Slater · Aug 10, 2006

Ah well another Pre-Nom drop passes with my only catch being a wasp that was trying to drink my beer earlier.

Back to the job of trying to catch normal and hopefully randomly dropping names.

Good Luck everyone

charlie · Aug 10, 2006

Slater said:
Please Nominet sort it out for next time so the rest of us can have a chance.

Is it a matter of next time? that guy has bagged about £100k+ worth and he aint giving them back - the opportunity has gone

philipp · Aug 10, 2006

Slater said:
Please Nominet sort it out for next time so the rest of us can have a chance.

Couldn't agree more. Nominet, *please* can you check your code?

Thanks,

Philip.

Jeewhizz · Aug 10, 2006

Looking at the times, they drop approximately every 15 mins or so... Still doesn't explain how two tags got everything.

philipp · Aug 10, 2006

Jeewhizz said:
Looking at the times, they drop approximately every 15 mins or so... Still doesn't explain how two tags got everything.

It could be a useful exercise for Nominet to examine their logs and see if there's any correlation between changes in DAC traffic volumes from the winning tags and domain drop times. Mann-Whitney U-test or similar might help here too, just a thought...

P.

tifosi · Aug 10, 2006

philipp said:
It could be a useful exercise for Nominet to examine their logs and see if there's any correlation between changes in DAC traffic volumes from the winning tags and domain drop times. Mann-Whitney U-test or similar might help here too, just a thought...

P.

could even try the mars bar test if it would help. Just find an algorithm that *IS* random and has *NO* discernable pattern.

That 2 tags pretty much cleaned up shows there was a pattern.

retired member 1 · Aug 10, 2006

tifosi said:
could even try the mars bar test if it would help. Just find an algorithm that *IS* random and has *NO* discernable pattern.

That 2 tags pretty much cleaned up shows there was a pattern.

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Jay Daley · Aug 10, 2006

Thanks to the many people who have alerted me to this. I will have it looked at immediately.

I'm just about to go off on holiday for a couple of weeks so you will need to contact use direct at [email protected] if you want to raise any further concerns.

jonno · Aug 10, 2006

Jay Daley said:
I'm just about to go off on holiday for a couple of weeks so you will need to contact use direct at [email protected] if you want to raise any further concerns.

good luck with the airports

Jay Daley · Aug 10, 2006

jonno said:
good luck with the airports

Oh it is so depressing. For a start we have three kids, one of whom is a baby, and current advice is that nappies are not allowed (bet that changes quickly). Then I hear that large parts Southern Spain, where we are off to, have had to close their beaches because of jelly fish.

It would be more fun reading DAC logs.

tifosi · Aug 10, 2006

jonno said:
good luck with the airports

Indeed. I wish we could randomise the terrorist scum!

retired_member11 · Aug 10, 2006

Like the random Israeli shells?

jalpope · Aug 10, 2006

Jay Daley said:
Thanks to the many people who have alerted me to this. I will have it looked at immediately.

Do you plan to continue dropping domain names even though there is definately an issue somewhere? and if drops are allowed to continue is it negligent?

paravan · Aug 10, 2006

jalpope said:
Do you plan to continue dropping domain names even though there is definately an issue somewhere? and if drops are allowed to continue is it negligent?

Jay,

We had alerted you many times before regarding this issue and you could not solve it. This time I am sure you can not solve it again. Because you do not care whether the names drops random or not! Here is the email I sent to Nominet support. I will paste the replies here, if I get any.

Dear Sir,

I am a TAG holder *****. I have invested more than GBP10K so far for DAC dropcatching script and because of flaws of Nominet DAC random mechanism I can not get my investment back. A few months ago I had alerted nominet that a TAG holder named ***** could not get a 24 out of 50 or so valuable names in a day with a same quota with the law of probability. Then a bug is discovered that names were dropping with 303 seconds intervals.

Yesterday for prenom drop same thing had happened. A tag holder named ***** got many of the valuable names in so many people's list.

I am officially inquiring you to detect these:

1. Please look at the drop time of following names and tell me whether the above-mentioned tag holder's DAC queries became more frequent just before the respective drop times:

premier.co.uk
musicbox.co.uk
searcher.co.uk
infrared.co.uk
management.co.uk
sonycentre.co.uk

1.1. If you can find a pattern of high-frequency of DAC query for ***** then how do you explain this? Can your DAC system has a flaw of randomness?

2. Whether registrant type may be hold empty and whether PO boxes can be used in address?

3. Do you have a plan to completely erase DAC and put something more random?

Regards

******

PS : If you are going to reply me with something like "Unfortunately we can not answer your questions because the questions are personal" then do not bother to reply.

retired_member9 · Aug 10, 2006

paravan said:
Jay,
I am a TAG holder *****. I have invested more than GBP10K so far for DAC

Dear paravan
Have you caught any prenom at all with your 10k investment during the last year? I can say that I invested 100k, so what?

Now edit your post and remove list of my names and addresses if you don't want to get in trouble.

Feel free to send anything you like to nominet for them to do any checks though.