It's time to end the talk of "reg fee"!

[Edwin]

It’s High Time to Redefine “Sea Level” in Domain Name Pricing!
http://www.webmastering.co.uk/domai...to-redefine-sea-level-in-domain-name-pricing/

I'm sure this will stir up some debate...

 

[doodlebug]

If I find a gold nugget in the river but my trowel and tray only cost me £6 then I should sell my gold for next to nothing or better still leave it there in the river for someone else who really wants it because if I didn't take it then then person who really wants it could have got it if I hadn't first and

that's not fair

As long as you don't price an ok generic for xxx,xxx when it's only worth x,xxx then I think it's fine

 

[theonemanyuri]

Drops aside the article is right, all the top notch domains are gone. And I agree with what he says... it's a shame end users don't think in the same way! Good analagy with the house too.

But I suppose it's open to interpretation, there are still some ok domains FTR if you want to make a few pounds a month in aff sales or you might find a decent brandable the week before Apple decide it's their latest product name. But overall he's right there's not a lot going on with FTR names.

Yet I keep regging them...

 

[foz]

Why bother, folk register "reg fee" daily and are happy doing so.

If someone approaches me with such an offer or argument, I just ignore them.

 

[golddiggerguy]

Agree and disagree.

If you're after a new mobile and search for a "mobile" your saying mobiles.co.uk is THE perfect domain.

I think people and Google are refining their searches to get exactly what they want and so the niche domains that hit the nail on the head and yes ARE reg fee domains they are the ones that get the increasing traffic trends.

Generics are great but disagree on the lack of good domains now available.

 

[websaway]

It’s High Time to Redefine “Sea Level” in Domain Name Pricing!
http://www.webmastering.co.uk/domai...to-redefine-sea-level-in-domain-name-pricing/

I'm sure this will stir up some debate...

I think you've over stressed your opinion that there are no useful domains left to register, we live in a fast changing world and that view is debatable. (A salient factor may be that Campings co uk is a reported sale on dnjournal today for $2044)

The point though about reg fees versus sales values, this will not go away it's either a mindset or a negotiation tool and it should be irrelevant to the seller.

 

[newguy]

I did register openrelationship.co.uk last year and sold it for £100 (was offered £200 for it actually, but I tried my luck in an auction and it didn't pan out as I'd hoped). Nothing mind blowing, but not bad for reg fee. The article is right for the most part, but there are often new areas/words/phrases that come along where opportunities exist, and examples like my one, where for whatever reason nobody bothered to register it.

 

[cc976a]

The internet is full of different levels of opportunity and market - just like most industries. There's the top end where only the best, short, brandable and generic name will do. For these you will never get a FTR and will have to go to Edwin, Sedo and others to buy them.

Then there's a 'middle ground' of names going for mid £xxx to low/mid £x,xxx that gives companies and affiliates the chance to use a good, often generic or good niche within that generic - where there's an existing market looking for that exact term.

Then there's everything else from brandable names, to smaller niches, to new products etc... these can cost from FTR to low £xxx

The corporates of this world and those with over £1m project / marketing budgets for new venture or product will see the benefits of a £xx,xxx name and will capitalise on the benefits (often ten fold)....

....then there's everyone else

 

[FagEnd]

google is refining searches FOR people. The auto suggest feature killed many sites, but made many more. I got lucky and got a couple in the first suggestion. The traffic rocketed, and they are not great domains. It must be good to own great domains but it's not necessary nowadays.

 

[Edwin]

It must be good to own great domains but it's not necessary nowadays.

There's a lot more to marketing than the web, though that's something that's all too easily forgotten because we live and breathe web stuff every day.

90% of spend still takes place offline, and in every instance where a URL is displayed (or spoken) as part of a call to action an easy to remember, descriptive generic can help. For example:

• On bus shelters
• On the TV
• On the radio
• In magazine and newspaper ads
• On business cards
• On letterheads, invoices, receipts and other official correspondence
• On packaging and packing slips
• On tradeshow banners and exhibition displays
• On shop signs
• On posters, leaflets, brochures and handouts
• On the side of cars, vans and trucks

That is just a very small subset of all the hundreds of places a URL can appear offline!

 

[julian]

Of course MultilingualContentManagementSystem.co.uk that should be easy to remember on the side of a car going down the M5.

Edwin you've got tons of tosh like the rest of us and will end letting lots drop or selling most on here for £15 in the bargain bin - it'll just take take a little longer..

There's a lot more to marketing than the web, though that's something that's all too easily forgotten because we live and breathe web stuff every day.

90% of spend still takes place offline, and in every instance where a URL is displayed (or spoken) as part of a call to action an easy to remember, descriptive generic can help. For example:

• On bus shelters
• On the TV
• On the radio
• In magazine and newspaper ads
• On business cards
• On letterheads, invoices, receipts and other official correspondence
• On packaging and packing slips
• On tradeshow banners and exhibition displays
• On shop signs
• On posters, leaflets, brochures and handouts
• On the side of cars, vans and trucks

That is just a very small subset of all the hundreds of places a URL can appear offline!

 

[Edwin]

Julian, I'm really not sure why you keep trying to derail the overall discussion (which was valid) with what may be specific counter-arguments from our portfolio. Are you on some kind of personal vendetta? You've done this in a lot of threads now...

 

[julian]

On the contrary Edwin,

I have no personal vendetta! I think you're a great bloke and I agree with most things you say - i'm just trying to get to the truth of the matter.

I hope i'm not becoming a troll, but I just do not think some of your arguments stand up 100% all the time -and they need a little prod now and again.

..and it has been said I'm a cantankerous old git (for which I can only apologise), but this is a public forum after all.

Julian, I'm really not sure why you keep trying to derail the overall discussion (which was valid) with what may be specific counter-arguments from our portfolio. Are you on some kind of personal vendetta? You've done this in a lot of threads now...

 

[Brassneck]

Edwin - you did say in the first post "I'm sure this will stir up some debate... " so you can't be surprised if not everybody agrees with you.

You are quite vocal about your business model and I sense from various posts that you are not a great fan of many of the business models that others follow here when it comes to selling domains at much more reasonable prices.

I understand where you are coming from with your post, but if I was to receive an email back saying that you wanted £2k for what looked like a pretty ordinary name and then I saw your public portfolio and looked at lots of other similarly ordinary names then I might thing that you were trying it on somewhat. I'm not always sure whether your business model is in the best interests of our industry.

Personally for modest generic names I prefer to charge, £100, which nine times out of ten secures the sale and allows me to seem like I have provided a worthwhile service at reasonable cost.

 

[websaway]

Edwin - you did say in the first post "I'm sure this will stir up some debate... " so you can't be surprised if not everybody agrees with you.

You are quite vocal about your business model and I sense from various posts that you are not a great fan of many of the business models that others follow here when it comes to selling domains at much more reasonable prices.

I understand where you are coming from with your post, but if I was to receive an email back saying that you wanted £2k for what looked like a pretty ordinary name and then I saw your public portfolio and looked at lots of other similarly ordinary names then I might thing that you were trying it on somewhat. I'm not always sure whether your business model is in the best interests of our industry.

Personally for modest generic names I prefer to charge, £100, which nine times out of ten secures the sale and allows me to seem like I have provided a worthwhile service at reasonable cost.

Just for reference any examples of generics similar to Edwins that you have sold for £100.

 

[Bailey]

Indeed. I'll also pick-up here from a previous thread. But, the occasional difficulty that you can pick up with a discusion with Edwin Is what I would call "diversionary tactics" . And in most cases I genuinely like Edwins skill in maintaining a well-thought-out structured discussion. However:

I do believe: we as domain resellers have some responsibility in trying our best to recognise the true current position and operating difficulties that many UK companies seem to find in bringing any sort of web presence to the UK market. To try and compare the .com Tld market in pricing and potential value to say the .co.uk ccld market is not good for the overall increasing sales and presence. Indeed some seem to think the markets are even "comparable" - and I don't see this as a good direction at all.

There is a possibility that the expections of many other re-sellers are being over exaggerated by both the business model of others and their ability to sustain and (in my view)unsustainable argument. Of course I realise and understand the advantages/disadvantages of a blanket pricing model - But, I'm never comfortable when I read a comment that purtains to value a domain in a similar mass listing model as comparable in an realistic one-off oppurtunity.

I truly hope nobody sees this as a personal reflection just an operating criticism. i like to believe I'm good at giving and taking self-criticism and from others as when It may be due.

 

[Brassneck]

Just for reference any examples of generics similar to Edwins that you have sold for £100.

Well I can only compare against Edwin's public price lists - http://www.memorabledomains.co.uk/domlist/domain_pricelist.pdf

I recently listed these and sold about 50 from it so far -
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/fixed...veaway-prices-opportunity-before-i-renew.html

 

[domainseller200]

Well I can only compare against Edwin's public price lists - http://www.memorabledomains.co.uk/domlist/domain_pricelist.pdf

I recently listed these and sold about 50 from it so far -
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/fixed...veaway-prices-opportunity-before-i-renew.html

One that jumps out at me straight away is

BrownShoes.co.uk on Stephens list for £30
BrownSuits.co.uk on Edwins list for £1,500

If you want to use the search on the adwords tool as a further comparison

Brown Shoes = 1,300 exact vs Brown Suits = 260 exact

Ok they are not the same price to purchase, but shoes gets 5x the searches as suits, so it could be said they are equal overall

 

[Brassneck]

One that jumps out at me straight away is

BrownShoes.co.uk on Stephens list for £30
BrownSuits.co.uk on Edwins list for £1,500

If you want to use the search on the adwords tool as a further comparison

Brown Shoes = 1,300 exact vs Brown Suits = 260 exact

Ok they are not the same price to purchase, but shoes gets 5x the searches as suits, so it could be said they are equal overall

And brownshoes.co.uk is one I didn't sell from that list yet....

 

[foz]

BrownSuits_co_uk on Edwins list for £1,500

I can buy the .com for £980