a few to watch in Nov

[keys]

... if you can cope with the frustration - on previous form they will all be grabbed up by just a handful of tagholders.

It would be fun if Nominet introduced a random delay of a few seconds or minutes on domain requests, that would clip their wings a bit.

alarm.co.uk
define.co.uk
eternal.co.uk
eyecare.co.uk
filtration.co.uk
flyingcolours.co.uk
freight.co.uk
global.co.uk
haywood.co.uk
holborn.co.uk
integration.co.uk
intercity.co.uk
internetstore.co.uk
inventions.co.uk
investors.co.uk
invicta.co.uk
javascript.co.uk
kestrel.co.uk
lakeside.co.uk
resources.co.uk
results.co.uk
sherwood.co.uk
soho.co.uk
trainer.co.uk
webcontent.co.uk
wiggins.co.uk
wigmore.co.uk
winchester.co.uk
workbench.co.uk
yachting.co.uk
zodiac.co.uk

 

[rob]

... if you can cope with the frustration - on previous form they will all be grabbed up by just a handful of tagholders.

It would be fun if Nominet introduced a random delay of a few seconds or minutes on domain requests, that would clip their wings a bit.

At what point does it become 'fair'? DAC is still to a part 'luck' based, just in a smaller timeframe, so with randomised timings people could still improve the odds by hammering requests and so on.

Personally I think if people cannot be arsed to invest time / effort / cash into a system they have no room to gripe over not catching names. Not having a dig against you (keys) but there have been posts on this forum along the lines of people who use 123-reg.co.uk and think nominet are corrupt as the likes of liverpool.co.uk was taken before the 5min whois update.

Unfortunatly I think any method that releases names back into the pool free to register will be unfair to someone somewhere, be it randomised requests, WLS , first come first served etc.

Cheers,
Rob.

 

[mreeves]

Personally I think if people cannot be arsed to invest time / effort / cash into a system they have no room to gripe over not catching names.

Spot on. Also those that gripe and have already put time / effort / cash into a system then obviously need to put *more* time / effort / cash into their system.

Regards
Martin

 

[pheasantplucker]

Really, you can spend all the money you like, but to really compete with the usual suspects you'd have to breach Nominet's T&C's by not only using multiple tags but also pooling resources.

 

[keys]

I have to admit that I am fuelling a debate which is largely academic to me. It is reasonable to expect people with the knowledge and resources to grab as much as they possibly can, whilst Nominet use the means at their disposal to try and maintain a fair and reliable service.

One individual publicly claimed to already have 50,000 .com's two years ago, and has now amassed a co.uk collection well into 5 figures. Activity on this scale must surely be a concern for future stability of the market, how many domains would constitute a monopoly?

This is not just about numbers, but also the quality of domains. It would be relatively easy to register 10,000 (worthless) domains tomorrow, and have no effect on the market.

The prenoms will soon be all dropped or renewed, which leaves the regular trickle of names and I expect these will decline over time. The majority of good names deleted have already been caught, so whether the system is fair or not is for the most part irrelevant. It's all water under under the bridge.

 

[bb99]

Really, you can spend all the money you like, but to really compete with the usual suspects you'd have to breach Nominet's T&C's by not only using multiple tags but also pooling resources.

I don't think that's the case. It *may* be going on, but I think it's possible to be extremely competitive without having to break any rules.

 

[mreeves]

Really, you can spend all the money you like, but to really compete with the usual suspects you'd have to breach Nominet's T&C's by not only using multiple tags but also pooling resources.

Not true. I know of dropcatchers, including myself, that play by Nominets rules and have picked up very good domains in recent weeks.

Regards
Martin

 

[bb99]

As Bananarama once said, "It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it - and that's what gets results"

 

[bb99]

Getting back on topic, I see some of these have dropped today.

 

[Existent]

Really, you can spend all the money you like, but to really compete with the usual suspects you'd have to breach Nominet's T&C's by not only using multiple tags but also pooling resources.

I abide by the rules (216,000 queries per day) and pick up plenty of names. I've invested time and money and am reaping the rewards. You should really research your information before posting.

 

[pheasantplucker]

I've decided this is a pointless debate that's been gone over and over many times, so I withdraw my comments.

 

[bb99]

I don't think it's pointless... There probably are people out there who are breaking the rules. I know I've certainly thought about it... but it's never gone further than thought.

 

[Existent]

I've decided this is a pointless debate that's been gone over and over many times, so I withdraw my comments.

That's fine, I'm happy you think that way. It enables us to keep getting names while you sit there and think there's no point. It's not rocket science.

Pointless because you based your argument upon an assumption rather than actually knowing anything about the system.

Enjoy.

 

[pheasantplucker]

That's fine, I'm happy you think that way. It enables us to keep getting names while you sit there and think there's no point. It's not rocket science.

Pointless because you based your argument upon an assumption rather than actually knowing anything about the system.

Enjoy.

Pointless because you're far too smart for me.

 

[Existent]

Pointless because you're far too smart for me.

Pointless because you're too blinkered and bitter. End of.

 

[pheasantplucker]

I don't think it's pointless... There probably are people out there who are breaking the rules.

You have one tag that allows you to query the DAC 216,000 times a day, all legal and above board and it gets you some names. If you had four tags and the right software you could query it nearly 1,000,000 times a day but use just one tag to register the name when it dropped. The beauty of this is that no one ever knows that you're actually using four tags because all your names are always regged on the single tag that you're famous for.

 

[retired_member9]

yea, but this can be easily spotted by Nominet.

 

[pheasantplucker]

yea, but this can be easily spotted by Nominet.

By what means, IP address?

 

[rob]

I spoke to nominet once about missing out a domain during the beta stages , the techie said there 5 tags daccing and 4 sending specs when it dropped .. makes me think they might have some tools in place to know whats going on and with who.

Also the same 'famous' catchers are the ones who were cleaning up years ago with shit hot reactive whois systems, which makes me think that its more skill / investment on tech stuff rather than cheating.

I am not saying there are not fake tags out there, there certainly are! However the fact that its not those consistantly doing well makes me less inclined to fork out and get my dog his own tag FIDO etc.

Out of interest who / which tag are you (if you have one) as fair enough complaints from tagholders who are trying but those complaining while relying on 123-reg are without foundation IMHO

 

[Edwin]

I wouldn't be remotely surprised if the top catchers haven't invested 5-6 figures in systems hardware and programming in order to scoop up the names they do.

It's "obvious" to just about everyone what is needed to catch a reasonable number of names:-
A) Super-fast hardware, hosted as close to Nominet as you can get it
B) Super-fast software, tuned to fire off registration requests as close to "instantaneously" as possible after a name shows as available
C) A tag
D) A list of names worth monitoring on any given day

It's the amounts invested in fine-tuning A) and B) that are being repaid by success. Throw into the mix the fact that some players are probably literally going after no more than 1-4 names a day, and can devote vast amounts of resource to each name accordingly and the little guy/gal has zero chance... and that's as it should be.

The drop catching game is no more a "level playing field" than any other aspect of business/commerce. All other things being equal, those with more funds/resources WILL win. Of course, smart algorithms can help, but once everyone is pretty much at par, it's down to resources.