Scam Domain selling spam

[A-Wing]

Got this one yesterday, ISP being reported to:

From: "Chris Holland" (address removed)
To: (roughly 150 email addresses removed, what an idiot!)

Dear Sirs,

We are selling the domain name RentaProjector.co.uk. This is the very first
time since 1996 that the domain has ever been available on the open market.

Most of our clients are now finding that prime domains such as this pay for
themselves within weeks rather than months by virtue of the extra business
that they drive to their websites by means of type in traffic and greatly
enhanced search engine positions.

The domain is currently on sale for just £795 + VAT.

Would you like to go ahead with this?

We also have scanners.co.uk, printers.co.uk and faxes.co.uk for sale.

Best regards,

Chris Holland
CHC Internet

 

[jhump]

Business to Business emails are not spam. Sorry.

 

[A-Wing]

Business to Business emails are not spam. Sorry.

spam (spām) noun. Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

It was unsolicited, commercial and looks like you used a list based on the NWLUG or Menai LUG mailing lists (I left both about 6 months ago when I left Wales). Most people on that to: list are individuals. Looks like spam to me by definition.

I have reported it to theplanet.com's abuse address.

 

[jhump]

Certainly the long list of CC's is silly but as much as it might annoy you, email sent B2B is not covered by UK spam law. As you are a company, I don't see on what basis you are reporting it. If anyone else who did receive it is an individual then it is up to them to report it.

 

[rob]

Certainly the long list of CC's is silly but as much as it might annoy you, email sent B2B is not covered by UK spam law. As you are a company, I don't see on what basis you are reporting it. If anyone else who did receive it is an individual then it is up to them to report it.

If it was via a Linux User Group mailing list I would say that is not business to business.

N2N maybe but not B2B

 

[A-Wing]

Certainly the long list of CC's is silly but as much as it might annoy you, email sent B2B is not covered by UK spam law. As you are a company, I don't see on what basis you are reporting it. If anyone else who did receive it is an individual then it is up to them to report it.

Well firstly, you sent it to one of my personal addresses as well as my business one, secondly since I used to be admin of that LUG I think I am well within my right to protect its users and I will urge them to report it too.

 

[jhump]

Well firstly, you sent it to one of my personal addresses as well as my business one, secondly since I used to be admin of that LUG I think I am well within my right to protect its users and I will urge them to report it too.

I'm sorry, *I* sent it? I think you need to apologise mate. I am not Chris Holland.

 

[A-Wing]

I'm sorry, *I* sent it? I think you need to apologise mate. I am not Chris Holland.

OK, whatever, Chris sent it. Although defending his actions is probably just as bad.

 

[jhump]

OK, whatever, Chris sent it. Although defending his actions is probably just as bad.

No, I'm sorry, it isn't just as bad and "ok, whatever" is not an apology.

I have no connection with Chris Holland - other than buying a domain off him once - and I do not send spam.

I wasn't defending his actions I was trying to help you by explaining that B2B emails are not spam. Your first post gave no indication that it was sent to you on any other basis than B2B. Your signature shows that you operate a business. I simply pointed out that if you had received it as a business then he is not breaking UK spam laws.

I have reported your post to the admin and await a full apology from you for alleging I sent you spam. Failing this I will take further action.

 

[A-Wing]

sorry you are not chris holland, and you did not send his spam email

 

[jhump]

Thank you, and you might want to calm down next time and realise that people might be actually trying to help you, just because you don't like what they say. I won't bother trying to help you again though, that's for sure.

 

[A-Wing]

Thank you, and you might want to calm down next time and realise that people might be actually trying to help you, just because you don't like what they say. I won't bother trying to help you again though, that's for sure.

Well, that is the strangest definition of help I have ever seen

 

[jhump]

I was advising you of the law. That is help. You repaid me by accusing me of being a spammer.

Can I politely suggest that, after making such a potentially damaging defamation to my character and my business, you would be best not trying to be a smart arse and shut up.

 

[A-Wing]

Anyway, back to the matter in hand. I have asked the 2 LUG admins involved if they can get the members to report it as well.

150 addresses in the to: line is not only reckless, its dangerous. If 2 of those are unpatched versions of Exchange 2000 (still in use by quite a lot of small businesses) it will bounce around until mailboxes are full.

 

[Leeroy]

removed..........

 

[SF]

Looks like a good email to me

 

[gordon]

Business to Business emails are not spam. Sorry.

They can be under the EU PECR regulations. If the recipient business is a sole trader rather than a limited company they are protected by the same PECR regulations that cover individuals.

 

[fred]

They can be under the EU PECR regulations. If the recipient business is a sole trader rather than a limited company they are protected by the same PECR regulations that cover individuals.

Do you know if that is the same for partnerships? I'm guessing it would be as a partnership is essentially 2 (or more) sole traders working together.

 

[DropCatcher-co-uk]

Looks like a good email to me

Thanks!

Although my country of residence (USA) is not covered by UK or EU emailing laws, my team and I always endeavour to be good corporate citizens and work extremely hard to avoid upsetting people. We proactively market our own domain portfolio as well as those of at least 15 other tagholders and sadly it is inevitable that we will have the odd email arrive at an unwanted destination.

Doubtless all the usual knockers will clamber aboard to berate me for daring to use email as an extremely effective marketing channel but I note with amusement that many other forum members have indeed copied my well publicised sales pitch and are using it to good effect themselves. Enjoy!

 

[gordon]

Do you know if that is the same for partnerships? I'm guessing it would be as a partnership is essentially 2 (or more) sole traders working together.

It covers any "Individual Subscriber" and an "Individual Subscriber" can be:
1. a residential subscriber,
2. a sole trader
3. an unincorporated partnership in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.