The conspiracy theory thread... Have at it!

[Edwin]

Placeholder for all the stuff that's bogging down the Brexit thread. Hope you'll take my cue and move it over here...

 

[bonusmedia]

I have no desire to discuss conspiracy theories, only to counter lies. If someone makes an on-topic post but then backs it up with a conspiracy theory which they treat as fact it's very difficult to address the point without addressing the conspiracy theory. If such theories go unchallenged they just become more and more established. I don't know what the solution is

 

[Edwin]

What I was hoping is that all that kind of stuff (conspiracy theory and counter) could be parked here. The situation is super-complex as it is, even relying purely on reality. But as you say, it's tricky...

 

[looks]

Ok lets make use of this thread. Who believes in aliens? My personal view is our governments know about them and have been in contact. I believe mankind are made by aliens "god created man in his image". lots of cool stuff to talk about regarding this but will see if others are interested before i go on one

 

[danielcoates]

Ok lets make use of this thread. Who believes in aliens? My personal view is our governments know about them and have been in contact. I believe mankind are made by aliens "god created man in his image". lots of cool stuff to talk about regarding this but will see if others are interested before i go on one

You could be right, for all we know, we are a super computer, designed by another super computer, constructed by the Magratheans and paid for by mice, that was created to find out what the ultimate question is

 

[BREWSTERS]

Some things are for sure; there is a lot more that we don't know, than we do.

And, a lot of people think they know more than they do.

As for aliens, who knows....people have blind faith in religion but out of the two I'd say aliens are more likely (and cause fewer problems but other than a few movies aren't as a big a money spinner).

 

[danielcoates]

Some things are for sure; there is a lot more that we don't know, than we do.

And, a lot of people think they know more than they do.

As for aliens, who knows....people have blind faith in religion but out of the two I'd say aliens are more likely (and cause fewer problems but other than a few movies aren't as a big a money spinner).

This is true, however the Fermi Paradox states we won't ever find out, there's an interesting video on The Fermi Paradox

 

[boxerdog]

And dont forget the earth is flat

 

[websaway]

People who question the existence of god and judgement day, should at least be considering with the age of the computer that our subconscious mind/soul could be a form of hard drive recording everything we think and do.

 

[markb]

i think the human race was created by people from another galaxy, or at least our species was helped along by these people using their genes. References to people in the bible coming down to Earth on clouds and images from cave paintings showing flying saucers are references to the people who helped create us. I believe when we are advanced enough to visit other planets that can sustain life, we will do the same by helping to carry on our species on other planets.

 

[Adam H]

There is some great research/theories/conspiracy's around aliens and Antarctica, alot of which is pretty coincidental when you think along the lines of Hitler tracking back to Antarctica to uncover a hidden city under the ice and some of the technology we've "stumbled" into over the last 30 years.

 

[BREWSTERS]

This is true, however the Fermi Paradox states we won't ever find out, there's an interesting video on The Fermi Paradox

You're right in that we probably won't - there are a lot of if's and buts in that video. It's as probable that we will find out in the next 10 minutes as it is that we'll never find out.

 

[danielcoates]

You're right in that we probably won't - there are a lot of if's and buts in that video. It's as probable that we will find out in the next 10 minutes as it is that we'll never find out.

There are a lot of if's and but's in practically everything, but it's a good theory as to why we haven't, and are unlucky to know if there is alien life out there.

It may also be that we will know in the next 10mins, and be at war with an alien nation hellbent on our destruction, or that the planet is destroyed by the Vogons to 'make space for a intergalactic highway'

 

[scottmccloud]

I've never really had much time for many conspiracy theories (I think the world is probably much more straightforward and boring as some would have us believe) but it's amazing how far David Icke has come from those early days as being treated as a complete loon to the huge following he has now.

I've got quite a few friends on Facebook who follow him, all of whom are very well educated and seemingly rational yet put a lot of stock in what they guy says. Takes all sorts I suppose!

 

[BREWSTERS]

At one time people were ridiculed for not believing the earth was flat.
And people were killed for being witches - right now I'm about 250 metres from the buried bodies of some of the most infamous 'witches' in Britain.

 

[newguy]

Elon Musk believes that, based on where we're at with technology, our world as we see it is very likely to be a simulation. Not a conspiracy theory as such an interesting thought to ponder.

 

[crabfoot]

I have a theory about God the Universe and Everything which I will share in a novel one day

For now, here is a lump of focused thoughts.

The EU is committed to sharing resources with new and existing members until the members have a uniform standard of living. That is why the UK puts more in to the EU than it gets out, although that should now cease to be the case.


The UK is a unique case in Europe because it is not Big Country, ie the price of land for commercial purposes in most of Europe is cheap when related to UK. Only Denmark and Sweden come close.

Historically, the UK grew rich because it had mineral resources which were HUGE in comparison to the rest of Europe. A lot of those have been worked out but some remain to be exploited.

The nation is now committed to leave the EU. Why this is, I do not understand. About 38% of the electorate who could be bothered to vote thought leaving was a good idea. The government calls that a majority. Whatever.

What can the UK do to give itself a competitive edge? Exploit resources - but only the resources we are not currently exploiting.

The EU will negotiate leaving terms ensuring that we cannot avoid contributing from existing resources. That is not a problem - the North Sea oil amd gas is being extracted under Labour negociated terms, so there is not a lot to be made from it - and a lot of other UK mineral wealth remains in the ground, thanks to Margaret Thatcher and her kill off the unions campaign. Do not think about fish stocks, UK is stitched up by inspectors who actually do the job and apply the rules (and all have History degrees from Oxbridge).


What the UK can exploit immediately is

1) exploit the oil around the Falkland islands, although the world oil price is currently depressed by OPEC.
If the UK were in the EU we would be committed to share the cash with the EU, but now the only stopper on the deal is that the excess supply would make the oil price fall lower.

Incidentially, the truth is that some Spaniards did find the Falklands before the British, and peculiar incidents resulted from the Spaniards posting a garrisom on the east island while the British put a garrison on the west island. Whatever, there was a war in which the British gained all the Spanish offshore islands, including the Balearics and Canaries. In 1800 a treaty concluded that war, which gave all the islands back to Spain except the Falklands and Gibraltar. Argentina rebelled its way to independence from Spain from 1820 onwards, which is why nobody but an Argentinian believes they have any claim in the Malvenas matter. They were not even on the map when the UK took charge officially.

2) Some fishing in the South Seas. There is some demand for the flesh of the Patagonian tooth fish and other species, currently satisfied by South African vessels, which might be worth a bob or two.

3) the remaining mineral wealth of the UK - there are still unexploited minerals in the country, notably plenty of pitchblende under Cornwall, which could feed nuclear power stations. The old story - nobody knows how to mine it safely, so the UK buys the stuff from places that do not give much attention to worker safety.


Of course, it would be nice if the UK was leading the world in responsible techniques for utilising coal, but the Chinese would still sell coal cheaper than anyone else.


Whatever. Until the technology for mining the sea is improved, those are the ways forward which big G cannot influence.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Ex EU president taking major post with Goldman Sachs....sorry, that should be ANOTHER ex EU president taking major post with Goldman Sachs.

Barosso who presided over the Eurozone financial crisis, replaces Peter Sutherland, who was instrumental in selling out his native Ireland and is one of the most despicable life forms on the planet.

So, do you still think there's no conspiracy between politics and the upper reaches of the banking industry?

 

[Edwin]

So, do you still think there's no conspiracy between politics and the upper reaches of the banking industry?

Yes. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to explain it. People who have survived the cut and thrust of politics (a very particular, very intense kind of stress) may be suited to the high-pressure environment of an investment bank. Plus there's loads of contact between banks and governments, so top government people effectively undergo an "ongoing job interview" for much of the time they're in office. Not to mention the fact that it can be very very useful for banks to have people on board who are intimately familiar with how the game of politics is played, since they want to shape the rules and regulations that govern their operations as much as possible.

So there can be an incestuous, cronyish, jobs-for-the-boys (and girls!) type relationship and yet it's still not a conspiracy. Instead it's another example of the "us and them" divide. It's not a nice practice, but it's no conspiracy.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Yes. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to explain it. People who have survived the cut and thrust of politics (a very particular, very intense kind of stress) may be suited to the high-pressure environment of an investment bank. Plus there's loads of contact between banks and governments, so top government people effectively undergo an "ongoing job interview" for much of the time they're in office. Not to mention the fact that it can be very very useful for banks to have people on board who are intimately familiar with how the game of politics is played, since they want to shape the rules and regulations that govern their operations as much as possible.

So there can be an incestuous, cronyish, jobs-for-the-boys (and girls!) type relationship and yet it's still not a conspiracy. Instead it's another example of the "us and them" divide. It's not a nice practice, but it's no conspiracy.

Oh man, wake up and smell the coffee...how much time do you think Barosso is going to be spending on Goldman Sachs business? These positions are handed out for payment for services rendered. If you don't believe there is a conspiracy between politics and bankers, can you answer these?

Why were the banks deemed 'to important to fail'?(even though its patently obvious they're not).
Why have no bankers (or their accountants) been sent to jail for their parts in the 2007 banking collapse? (except in Iceland - and only then until there was regime change brought about by the Panama Papers...and within a week of a new PM being instated, they were all pardoned!)
Why do no politicians mention the fractional reserve banking system, where money is created from nothing, and backed by debt? And if we had a system where our government created the money supply, the nation would not be in debt, and wouldn't be borrowing money to pay the interest of £1Billion+ per week?
Why aren't money and finances taught in schools, instead of trigonometry?

Are you happy that a big chunk of what you earn goes to pay off the banks, who never suffered at all for the crisis THEY CREATED? Because I'm not, and no right-minded person would be.