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Zone File Access ?

Discussion in 'Nominet General Information' started by Whois-Search, Apr 14, 2006.

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  1. Whois-Search

    Whois-Search Retired Member

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    How many people here think Nominet should allow Zone File Access again ?

    I purely want the zone file because I could compare updates and work out
    suspended domain names.

    As it says on http://www.nic.uk/tag/fees/ ""Suspended" means that the DNS servers will not be entered into the .uk zone file"

    Exactly the same as for .com .net .org .info .biz:

    http://www.verisign.com/information...es/com-net-registry/page_001051.html#0100000E

    "The Zone files do not contain domain names which are on the following
    statuses: Registry Hold, Registrar Hold, PendingDelete, RedemptionPeriod."

    These zone files are used to produce lists for the massive market in gTLD expired domain services for example:

    http://www.exody.com
    http://www.deleteddomains.com
    http://www.domainresearchtool.com
    http://www.justdropped.com
    http://www.snapcheck.com
    http://www.pddn.net
    http://www.domainpunch.com/products/zonepro/

    and so on ........

    Nominet would benefit from all the extra registrations on caught domains!

    Also you can do cool things like:


    http://www.vh2.com - Exody DNS viper - find all domains hosted on given
    nameservers.

    http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/ - nameintelligence reverse ip -
    find all domains hosted on a given IP address.

    http://www.dailychanges.com - nameintelligence daily changes - the most active nameservers in the past 24 hours.

    http://www.nic.uk/tech/dnssectest/ - DNSSEC

    Can you think of any other reasons why ?

    Any ideas why ICANN forces the .com .net .org .biz and .info registries to allow public zone file access ?

    Other than spamming and scamming what are the reasons Nominet won't provide a zone file at the moment ?
     
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  3. netserve

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    I think that Nominet takes the view that the zone file is Interlectual Property and one of it's most valuable assets. Quite why that results in them not making it available I don't know.

    Perhaps the best option is to find out why they withdrew access a few years ago and stopped publishing it.
     
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    retired_member26 Banned

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    If you apply verisign with papers they give you password to access .com zone file. And that service is free. As far as I know Nom had published the last zone file at 2003. A fact that some of the dropcatchers are still using that zone file to query suspended domain names. I believe Nom do not care about the dropcatchers in any way. They cornered us with the DAC and it has seen that the DAC had some flaws to be exploited and In my opinion it has still flaws that some "very very very intelligent people" know and use it to the full extent.

    My suggestion is that just shelve the DAC, let people access zone file (not the format as it is but in some format that only shows suspended names) and let people use their 1000 request emails.

    I am just venting I know Nom will not do these.
     
  5. invincible

    invincible Well-Known Member

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    You, and others are confusing two things. Nominet never published the zone file in the way Verisign do. They published the PRSS database which was, back then, a very large text file containing all of the registered .uk domain names together with registrant information. This file included suspended .uk domain names. A zone file excludes domain names which are suspended, as well as registrant information. If I handed you a copy of today's .co.uk zone file, no suspended domain names would be included within it. In 3 months time, that zone file might be useful. However anyone who's any good at drop catching in .uk probably knows about most of the domain names that are registered, as well as many that have been registered in the past but aren't now. A zone file would assist beginners, 3 months down the line, but would only serve to top up the databases of those that already had large databases of .uk's, generated from other sources, with names that were fairly new registrations. I'd say that the vast majority of good registrations were originally made many years ago.
     
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    retired_member26 Banned

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    Stop parasiting people's mind.

    Every dropcacher knows that every dropcatcher uses the zone file of 2003 as start up. Of course the zone file does not say "suspended". It is just a sql command to bring a raw file out of zone file and then you just check suspended ones out of that raw file.

    If you please stay out of my threads I would be glad.

    Regards,

    TurNIC
     
  7. aquanuke

    aquanuke Well-Known Member

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    If you really dont like Invicible then you should set the ignore option in your control panel. Personally I think he offers much more valuable information then most other members on the forum. After all you've only made 90 posts the bulk of which where about your script either being slow or not working and the rest complaining others are catching too many.

    I dont use any zone file.

    I dont believe the DAC came to be for the sole use of drop catching. Plenty of others use it for other purposes.
     
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    retired_member26 Banned

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    I dont use any zone file.


    That roughly means 23 ppl type in mickeymouse.co.uk and 54 ppl type in mickeymouse.com per day in the UK searches of Overture and their partner sites ie Yahoo etc.

    You know you have to agree that you are not saying the truth. Besides If you don't like my threads ignore me.

    Domain name:
    mickeymouse.co.uk

    Registration status:
    Renewal required.
    *** This registration has been SUSPENDED. ***
     
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    aquanuke Well-Known Member

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    I like everyones threads just I miss Lexx's posts. I have no problem with your posts, infact I even goto the trouble of answering your requests even after you called me a lying cake.

    Im suggesting you have no right to tell invincible he cant post in a thread started by Andrew just because you've also commented in it. Ok maybe if you started the thread, but it is still a public forum.

    Besides what invincible said above was quite informative.. Ive no idea what a Zone file is.

    Whats with the micky mouse whois?
     
  10. aquanuke

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    If your suggesting im lying that I dont have a zone file, then I built all my lists manually using wordlists, the bulk of which I got from http://wordlist.sourceforge.net

    After reading invincible post about zone files.. one of those would have been handy :p
     
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    retired_member26 Banned

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    OK the thread is not mine. I do not have to say its mine. I just want to say that what he was talking is not right. You can get any info you want from a zone file either directly or indirectly.
     
  12. invincible

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    That doesn't make any sense to me.

    No, some have a copy of the old PRSS. Strip out the registrant info, perform a "few other techniques" and it was more useful than a conventional zone file because it contained the current suspended domain names. A zone file would not.

    You'd need to get a second copy of the zone and "dif" it with the first to find out which names were in the first copy but weren't in the second copy. You could then assume that the domain names that were missing in the second copy, but were present in the first copy had become suspended.

    :p They're not your threads.
     
  13. invincible

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    I will add is that I know it was possibly, perhaps as late as 2004, to pull the zone files for org.uk, me.uk and the other minor second level extentions under .uk. However there was never really any point doing this because, as we all know, .co.uk is far and away the largest and most popular extension under .uk. I believe Nominet blocked zone transfers from .co.uk a good few years ago. However, those with the PRSS text file didn't need any of this.
     
  14. Jac

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    For the record, "invincible" is a lot more right than you in what he said about zone files.

    "aquanuke" is right too; this is a public forum... though I guess good manners are optional for some people. ;)

    Regards
    James Conaghan
    http://www.conaghan.me.uk
    james@conaghan.me.uk
     
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    retired_member26 Banned

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    The aim of the thread was whether Nominet would allow tagholders to receive zone file or not?

    What do you think?

    TurNIC

    <<James Conaghan
    http://www.conaghan.me.uk
    james@conaghan.me.uk

    I have been a member of Nominet since July 1999 and I stand for fair representation for all. If you feel you cannot vote for me, please vote for someone who believes as passionately in the Membership and the ethos on which Nominet was founded>>
     
  16. Jac

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    I think what I have always thought; that Nominet should act in the interests of the wider stakeholder communities and not just one special interest group.

    Regards
    James Conaghan
    http://www.conaghan.me.uk
    james@conaghan.me.uk
     
  17. aquanuke

    aquanuke Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Jac, after all if Nominet start baby feeding the drop catching community then everyone will be at it. Then we might as well all go take up gardening.
     
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