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  1. jacal1 United States

    jacal1 Active Member

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    Let's pray there is something to this:



    Maddie ... new lead in search

    'I know where Maddie is'

    By SEBASTIAN LANDER
    June 07, 2007


    COMMENT ON THIS STORY

    A MYSTERY phone call from a man claiming to know the whereabouts of missing Madeleine McCann could provide a new lead in the case.

    The caller provided such detail that Kate and Gerry McCann put their European search for their daughter on hold in case they needed to act.

    The couple were informed of the potential development while in Germany, where they were appealing for information about their four-year-old child.

    It is 35 days since Madeleine was abducted from her bed in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

    The “credible” call was taken from a man who wanted to speak directly to the McCanns, according to a Spanish police source.

    It was traced to an unregistered pay-as-you-go phone from an unidentified country but not thought to be Morocco, where a previous possible sighting of Madeleine was reported.

    The caller did not reveal his identity or nationality, but the information was considered important enough to alert Kate and Gerry, the source said.

    A Spanish police source said: “A man called saying he knew where Madeleine was and wanted to speak to the McCanns.

    “This did not appear to be a crank call and the information was felt credible enough to warrant the couple being informed immediately.

    “They were in Berlin preparing to fly to Amsterdam but were advised to delay take-off.

    “The situation was so critical that it was felt they could not afford to be out of touch on the plane, even for an hour during the short flight.”

    At around 3pm yesterday, the couple - who were about to go to Tempelhof airport in Berlin to fly on to the Netherlands - were advised that the caller might try to contact them, so they stayed on at the British embassy.

    At 6pm, journalists travelling in the eight-seater private jet with the McCanns were told by the flight crew that there might be a change in destination.

    They revealed they had been asked to draw up a new flight plan involving a possible change from Amsterdam to East Midlands Airport.

    It was thought the McCanns might need to go back to the UK to talk to advisers about the call.

    But all efforts to re-establish contact with the man failed and the couple decided to go on to Amsterdam.

    They left Berlin at 7.30pm, three hours later than planned, for the hour-long flight to Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam to continue their search.

    Gerry and Kate are thought to be on standby, ready to return to the UK if necessary.


     
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    There are not two people in this world I dislike more than them two. The so called parents, european tour... hope she gets back safe but gets put into care and the other children removed for their safety as well. The parents should be committed.

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    i agree Lee, hope they find her safe and well then the UK/Portugal authorities do them for abandaning a child etc.

    i've 2 kids myself, and i would never leave them alone to put the rubbish out.

    if ur a parent, ur a parent, there is not some go between. they have learned this the hard way.


     
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    As harsh as it may sound i'm inclinded to lean towards your side of the fence Lee. i'm not sure taking the other children away from them is neccessary. I certainly don't see the logic in leaving their two other children to 'tour' europe.

    Today the press make a big fuss about them being asked directly by a journalist if they were involved or connected with her disappearance. Totally valid question and they must have been suspects at some stage in the investigation IMO.

    I do hope (of course) this story has a happy ending.
     
  6. GWing

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    agreed with above, if these parents were from on benefits they would be hauled up in front of social services and the courts.

    Hope they get this kid back though,

    but what on earth are the police announcing they think they know where she is, keep it shut until someone has been round to check the location. Wouldn't surpise me if whoever has her, will be moving her now.

    This whole thing has been a farce from start to finish.
     
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    Is it their fault or societies fault? We live in a society where British parents are afraid to let their children go out to play ,70% suggest they still "have contact" with their children while out playing, leaving 30% that do not have contact..

    Get it into perspective, you cannot bring kids up protected in an egg shell it is unrealistic, socially detrimental, (unless you're suggest socialising is communicating on a forum) and frankly with the position you take no parents would be allowed to bring kids into the world. I just hope this "big brother" new labour style protectionism, control and monitoring you are portraying is not typical of the legacy the Blairs et al have created in this country!

    What I pray for in all this is a new found collaboration between countries, governments and people in the fight against the deviance of child abduction.
     
  8. GWing

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    olebean.....

    mate....there was a secure child care unit on site who they could have left there kids with for the night, they chose to save a few quid and leave them unatended (they could have just dropped them off), how much are they on a year?

    They lied about how long they left them, they said checking every 15 minutes. The restraunt was 10 min walk away, that's 20 minute total journey, they said they did it 3 times evey hour. It never added up, the more I think about them 2 the more I get annoyed at them, time for me to stop typing.
     
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    We're all brought up on sci fi and most have probably considered the fact that they're both criminally insane, killed the child themselves and the publicity swept them up into such a frenzy that they just kept playing along... then we bring ourselves down to earth and consider it just a tragedy, that the parents were incompetent, dum and thoughtless, irresponsible to boot and somehow their child was seen through a brick wall to be alone and kidnapped.

    Someone had either been watching them very closely or it was someone at the hotel, either way, something still aint right but their behaviour is sickening, other parents with children that went missing this week and last week must be wishing for just even an ounce of publicity that they're getting. I aint a parent, not had children yet so who am I to comment, I just base my opinions on personal feeling and how I see the world.

    Make a mistake fair enough, but they repeatedly left their children alone even when services were provided for and they appeared to have a huge extended family (they're all in the media as well) so there's absolutely no reason for a couple going away without leaving nanny and grandad to look after the children while they have some personal time.

    Ah well, enough said, I've already given them too much thought this week.

    Lee
     
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    A secure facility who alledgedly are without enhanced CRB checks... I think you mis-understand where they were or are reading too many trashy papers or TV programs
     
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    Lee

    It is easy for you or anyone else to sit in an ivory tower castigating them when it seems what they are doing is no different than the "norm".

    Whether someone leaves a child in a front garden, not watching the same period, not watching their kids for a similar period, not locked in a room but open to all to grab and walk off would be castigated as much... I do not think the would, the difference her is they locked their kids in, checked on their kids and someone forced their way into the appartment.. Other kids are taken from gardens! Now figure who is neglectful...


    whether it is 10/20 or 30 mins or
     
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    How do I put this, I couldn't give a , I don't like them.

    Lee
     
  13. olebean United Kingdom

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    You cannot like everyone.

    I ask how on earth you can even suggest you do not like them when you don't know them in any way or form.. Other than through a media manipulated portrayal.
     
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    As a parent myself i was horrified they left the kids on their own, for all the reasons we have talked about before. Risk of fire, falling off bed, child snatcher etc.
    However i don't blame them for taking all the opportunities they can to get her back.
    It's the media hungry celebs & richboys i blame for laying on everything.
    Fu*k the thousands of kids dying in Darfur & every other place you care to name every day.
    The world's watching, & they want a piece of the action.
    I don't hate the Mccanns, i pity them. I'm working class myself, as you guys, but let's not forget they come from working class backgrounds & have got themselves good careers. Applaud them for it.
    The sick thing is if they lived on a housing estate they would be villified & would definitely not be getting this help. They would be forgotten by now.
    The meeting with the pope etc was just ridiculous.
    Likewise people suggesting they staged the abduction. I've heard of conspiracy theories, but it's ridiculous & must break them to hear it.
    Either way, just hope they find the poor kid, alive ...for everyone's sake.
     
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    Sorry, media manipulated? Haha. I'm not saying anymore, I think they're scum but then I'm your average working class man and many of us feel the same.

    Lee
     
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    In an ideal world we would all let our children play unattented, like in days gone past.

    However this case is very different considering her age and the age of the twins, leaving a 3 year old and the 2 YOUNGER twins unattened is wrong imo.
     
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    I refer you to the study...


    Everytime a parent goes to sleep at night, their kids are left unattended...
     
  18. jacal1 United States

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    IMO, this was well planned. It was a bonus for the kidnapper that they went to dinner, but assuming he could not forsee the future, he was planning to do this while the parents slept in the next room anyway.

    That said, I don't have much room to generate feelings about the parents right now, but I certainly understand the thoughts of people in this thread.
     
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    I can definitely see in the not too distant future that every single person will have a grain sized chip injected into them (much like dogs do now) except that these chips will have satellite tracking (like some cars have) as well as all your personal data stored. I'm sure some boffins are working on that right now.
     
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    it was done about 4 years ago, I remember it on bbc news 24, it officially made the kid a cyborg, couldn't stop laughing.

    As for how this kid was abducted. The Parents originally said they left the apartment door open so they could see inside it from where they were sitting. This was said on said on the first full day of the hunt by the Parents, I clearly remember them saying it. It has since been dropped by the media and the family, no one broke in. Who ever took her was probably someone that's been cruising that resort for weeks, he saw an opportunity and took it. The Parents have lied for most of this, I don't think they had anything to do with it, but Parents in Portugal have lost kids and only had 2 beat bobby's turn up to investigate, how come they can turn out 300+ for this one. I feel sorry for the Parents of Missing Portuguese children, who have to watch a foreign family on their own soil, getting better treatment from their own police.

    I know I'd be pretty mythed
     
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    AGREE WITH YOU 100%
    MY EX TOLD ME ABOUT THE PATIO DOOR, THOUGHT SHE WAS FIBBING, LOL
    I SAID SURELY NO-ONE'S THAT STUPID. ALSO I HADN'T HEARD IT MENTIONED BEFORE.
    APPARENTLY THEY LEFT IT OPEN IN CASE OF FIRE!!! WHAT IS IT ABOUT INTELLIGENT PEOPLE & COMMON SENSE?
     
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