Direct.uk is ongoing.....

[websaway]

This has probably been covered before but wont .uk instead of co.uk increase the value of UK domains internationally?.

For example would international domain investors be more keen to invest in .uk rather .co.uk. Having 3 less digits has surely got to be a some sort of bonus. Also would there be some uk business's who it would benefit keeping a uk domain ext rather than com because of the shortened version. Maybe there are some clues in Germany's main extension .de.

SO would this proposal not boost the UK domain industry as a whole to have a similar shorter extension to the likes of Germany?. If yes would it not be reasonable to question the motives of the people opposing this.

I think you are asking and answering your own questions as to why it's not fair and morally proper to introduce .uk as a competitor to the co.uk which has already been sold on a massive scale as the uk business extension.

 

[Skinner]

Not to urinate on anyones chips, but this is the key point I think for me.

People are moaning that the "old timers" are holding the best "property", all that would change with this is that people like Steven Terrence Jackson and the other deep pocket boys would eat up all the top property.

Some of the international investors think very little of spending millions on single .coms, when they come swinging that kinda axe, the vast majority of us will simply be cannon fodder.

That is why if Nominet launched .uk lots of international domain investors would put lots of resources and funds to obtaining the best quality and most desirable .uk domain names and depending on the release mechanisim if they went ahead, would mean very slim pickings for small Uk domain investors (not much different as too now with opportunities with .co.uk).

 

[anthony]

To be fair, .co.uk comes a fair way down the list compared to .com so I think the spend won't reach such highs, but no doubt the absolute cream will be mopped up for sure, as your point makes.
On the other hand, Scottm's point seems to be that there will be plenty of lower level domains that will get through the net, domains that are specialist industry types. I tend to agree with this.

Not to urinate on anyones chips, but this is the key point I think for me.

People are moaning that the "old timers" are holding the best "property", all that would change with this is that people like Steven Terrence Jackson and the other deep pocket boys would eat up all the top property.

Some of the international investors think very little of spending millions on single .coms, when they come swinging that kinda axe, the vast majority of us will simply be cannon fodder.

 

[julian]

I think the potential of the existing site (whether it .co.uk or .org.uk even), the long term strength in serps, revenue, brand potential, user base etc is a more important overall factor than owning the token .UK (in most cases).

People with none of the above are mostly pure domain investors - who don't have any real long term strategy, are perhaps more vulnerable to a potential .uk inception.

This is because their business model was generally built around one specific criteria - which is..? [come on newbs you can say it? :mrgreen: ]

However newbs with little or no "premium" .co.uk domains are probably worse off, this is because...?

(you gotta do a bit of work for free domain lessons you know)

just sit tight and see what turns up..

 

[websaway]

I think the potential of the existing site (whether it .co.uk or .org.uk even), the long term strength in serps, revenue, brand potential, user base etc is a more important overall factor than owning the token .UK (in most cases).

People with none of the above are mostly pure domain investors - who don't have any real long term strategy, are perhaps more vulnerable to a potential .uk inception.

This is because their business model was generally built around one specific criteria - which is..? [come on newbs you can say it? :mrgreen: ]

However newbs with little or no "premium" .co.uk domains are probably worse off, this is because...?

(you gotta do a bit of work for free domain lessons you know)

just sit tight and see what turns up..

You seem obsessed with the gainers and losers of this debacle when really the issue is the principal of releasing an extension as a direct competitor to an extension that has already been sold and marketed for many years as the uk business webspace.

 

[julian]

it's like poking a wounded animal with a stick with you dude :mrgreen: - as things stand you might be a big loser or a big winner in this depending on how things pan out. Unfortunately 'moral principles' and the business of making money don't go hand in hand for Nominet - as an organisation is Nominet allowed to make money..?

Believe it or not I don't want to see .uk, initially I thought .uk was an interesting concept but with devolution, fragmentation of society I'm not sure .UK is meaningful - even if it was realised from the start.

You seem obsessed with the gainers and losers of this debacle when really the issue is the principal of releasing an extension as a direct competitor to an extension that has already been sold and marketed for many years as the uk business webspace.

 

[websaway]

it's like poking a wounded animal with a stick with you dude :mrgreen: - as things stand you might be a big loser or a big winner in this depending on how things pan out. Unfortunately 'moral principles' and the business of making money don't go hand in hand for Nominet - as an organisation is Nominet allowed to make money..?

Believe it or not I don't want to see .uk, initially I thought .uk was an interesting concept but with devolution, fragmentation of society I'm not sure .UK is meaningful - even if it was realised from the start.

I don't deny that for me it is a sensitive subject and again it's not about winners and losers with me it's simply the principle of releasing a competitor to the co.uk which has already been sold as the uk business namespace.
Of course morals and principles do have a place in organisations that are duty bound to act in the public interest.

 

[anthony]

...Of course morals and principles do have a place in organisations that are duty bound to act in the public interest.

Which eliminates Nominet and its Board, being a private company with no accountability to Government or the public!

 

[websaway]

Does anyone know of the ownership history of the domain name

DirectUk dot co dot uk ?

 

[websaway]

Then what?

 

[retired_member29]

So the majority of Acorn members are against the .uk proposal i take it?. Someone here mentioned devolution i guess if Scotland do eventually become independent that would kind of dilute .uk a bit.

 

[Nigel]

So the majority of Acorn members are against the .uk proposal i take it?. Someone here mentioned devolution i guess if Scotland do eventually become independent that would kind of dilute .uk a bit.

Nominet set out their stall many years ago. They could have opted for .uk but went for the .co.uk, .org.uk, .me.uk etc system - no doubt to increase the number of registrations. 10m domains sold and successful. Nominet promoted (and continues to promote) .co.uk 'as a great place to be' so they had better honour their promise.

I don't see the Scotland vote as being that important to the .co.uk domain market as very few Scottish businesses will want to restrict their market to Scotland. In any event the current odds, I believe, are about 1/12 on for Scotland to remain part of the UK so no bookmaker thinks they will be voting for independence any time soon.

 

[GreyWing]

I don't see the Scotland vote as being that important to the .co.uk domain market as very few Scottish businesses will want to restrict their market to Scotland. In any event the current odds, I believe, are about 1/12 on for Scotland to remain part of the UK so no bookmaker thinks they will be voting for independence any time soon.

I think he means that Scottish people won't be able to buy .uk mate, because they will have left the uk and therefore not based here.

That brings more uncertainty to Scottish businesses already on .co.uk over the next few years. They will be frozen out if they vote for independence. Nominet seem to have casually forgot to address this and I have never heard what they would do. So more evidence to me of something extremely poorly thought through.

 

[websaway]

When the original consultation was launched Nominet new directuk dot co dot uk was registered does anyone know who it was registered to ?

 

[foz]

Round two in .nz announced.

http://dnc.org.nz/second_level_proposal_c2

The closing date for submissions is midday Wednesday 31 July 2013. All submissions will be published on this site as they are received and processed.

 

[philiporchard]

Based on their updated proposal, am I right in thinking that if you own books.co.nz, you would automatically receive books.nz without incurring any costs for the first two years?

 

[Edwin]

Round two in .nz announced.

http://dnc.org.nz/second_level_proposal_c2

It's a lot more protective of existing registrants this time around, including 2 years free "reservation" of their .nz name (as long as they activate the reservation during the Sunrise period) so they have plenty of time to decide whether to take it or not. It also doesn't have auctions, so there's no artificial ramp up of prices. Nor is there a concept of "use" - it's 100% about domain registrations.

If Nominet had come out with a similar proposal for direct.uk from Day 1, I doubt that the consultation would have failed.

Of course, that's not to say that it will now pass in New Zealand, but I would not be at all surprised if it does.

 

[foz]

The first two years allows for books.co.nz, books.net.nz or books.org.nz etc to work it out amongst themselves as to who wants/gets books.nz. I don't see that as coming to a positive conclusion. One could just stonewall against another party.

 

[Edwin]

Based on their updated proposal, am I right in thinking that if you own books.co.nz, you would automatically receive books.nz without incurring any costs for the first two years?

Yes and no.

You receive the RIGHT to buy books.nz within 2 years, as long as you exercise that free right during the Sunrise period. If you don't take up the right to block it for 2 years, then the domain sails through Sunrise and will go on a first come, first served basis once general registration starts.

In other words, you have to put your hand up during Sunrise and say "Yes, I'd like the .nz which goes with my .co.nz" and it will then be locked away for 2 years so that only you can have it.

However, during the 2 years it's not actually registered to you i.e. you can only start using it if you then pay for a "real" registration. But you've got all of that time to make up your mind.

The exception would be if books.org.nz was also registered before their cutoff date, in which case there would need to be AGREEMENT between the competing owners as to who got books.nz (assuming each domain owner put in the request). No auction, just agreement.

 

[Edwin]

The first two years allows for books.co.nz, books.net.nz or books.org.nz etc to work it out amongst themselves as to who wants/gets books.nz. I don't see that as coming to a positive conclusion. One could just stonewall against another party.

Only if they all try to take up the equivalent .nz during the Sunrise period, AND were all registered before the cutoff date.