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Nurse Aimee O'Rourke, who died fighting to save others

 

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Nurse Areema Nasreen, another NHS hero who died today

 

[newguy]

Where do you find the stats for hospitalisations/ages an where do you find the stats for flu to compare?

It's hard to find exacting comparisons for a virus that is presently working its way through the population for the first time. However:

"A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analysis of U.S. cases from Feb. 12 to March 16 released Wednesday shows 38 percent of those sick enough to be hospitalized were younger than 55.

Earlier this week, French health ministry official Jérome Salomon said half of the 300 to 400 coronavirus patients treated in intensive care units in Paris were younger than 65,"

A Netherlands study showed half of those in intensive care were under 50. People do not know or consider this because these are the age groups that tend to pull through, but only on account that they are able to access medical help.

The 2018-19 stats for flu hospitalisations in the United States indicate about 1.34 million hospitalisations for the over 65s, and 265,000 for those younger than that

 

[newguy]

We know how the flu acts within the population on account that it's been with us for such a long time. Taking the American results, we have about 120,000 deaths from likely 80+ million cases with an unstressed healthcare system.

The problem with covid-19 is that we have no firm understanding of how many people have already had it, other than that as a new virus nobody will have had it until very recently. We also know that it's highly contagious and that numbers of people hospitalised can increase dramatically over time to a point where it overwhelms the healthcare system. This would in turn rapidly raise the death toll. It's common for people to be on assisted breathing for a week plus. Without that option they, young and old, would die.

We have no inherent immunity to it either meaning that it will sweep through most of the population. We can 'hope' that many more people have had it than we realise, but if they have not it would seem that it could have a high death toll is left unchecked. The lockdown buys us precious time and allows us to put resources in place and draw out the number of people in need of hospital treatment at any one time. I appreciate that it's temporary though and that out of necessity that will need change over time. Though I expect it will happen incrementally.

 

[diablo]

UK because we live here and are being restricted massively.

Sweden because it is famously avoiding anywhere near full lock down. End of.

If I was cherry picking I'm sure I could've picked a more disparate pairing.

You compare the UK to Sweden because it appears to fit your worldview nicely.

That worldview might be correct, but the Denmark-Sweden comparison challenges it. What's your explanation for that?

Genuinely interested.

 

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You compare the UK to Sweden because it appears to fit your worldview nicely.

That worldview might be correct, but the Denmark-Sweden comparison challenges it. What's your explanation for that?

Genuinely interested.

Twice I've said why I pick those two to compare...don't you try and say I pick them for any other reason than I said.

Although I like Denmark...been there many times on business and have made friends with people there. In fact where I live is twinned with Aalborg...a place I've been several times and have friends there. Despite that - Denmark is in lock down...but it doesn't effect me, or you, or probably anyone else on this forum Diablo. Does what's happening in Denmark effect you one iota? Nor me.

But what's happening in the UK is vital to me, and everyone (probably) on this forum.

Got that? Got why I use the UK as one side of the comparison? Hmm?

Now...Sweden is the closest and largest country that I know of that isn't enforcing a full lock down.

Do you know of a bigger or closer country that doesn't have a full lock down? If you do, tell us.

Don't try saying you know my motives better than me.

If you want to compare other countries, go ahead.

 

[newguy]

I hope that we're all fortunate enough in a years time to say that none of our nearest and dearest have been impacted by this. That would no doubt be a relief for all of us.

 

[LCHappy]

If you want to kill off this thread, fine go ahead.

I'm not sure that is helpful. All I did was ask you a question about whether or not you would be concerned if the death rate was not higher than the week before or the same week last year.

Would you consider it odd if the numbers of overall don't go up compared to previous weeks and same weeks in previous years?

 

[Sound]

It's natural to feel fear and anxiety in a lock-down and time of change.

People will deal with it in different ways and some will feel the need to excessively post on here and on other media outlets like twitter as a release

What people need to think before they post is other peoples mental health and anxiety levels at times like this when we are all bombarded on the tv radio and in the papers and may come to a domain forum for some light relief from the world we are now living in.

Some members have a track record of this fear and anxiety if they look back at the threads concerning nominet and brexit and now this coronavirus pandemic.

Maybe limit the number of post you can make to two a day in this thread?

We don't need armchair experts at a time like this we need more positive threads.

 

[diablo]

Twice I've said why I pick those two to compare...don't you try and say I pick them for any other reason than I said.

Although I like Denmark...been there many times on business and have made friends with people there. In fact where I live is twinned with Aalborg...a place I've been several times and have friends there. Despite that - Denmark is in lock down...but it doesn't effect me, or you, or probably anyone else on this forum Diablo. Does what's happening in Denmark effect you one iota? Nor me.

But what's happening in the UK is vital to me, and everyone (probably) on this forum.

Got that? Got why I use the UK as one side of the comparison? Hmm?

Now...Sweden is the closest and largest country that I know of that isn't enforcing a full lock down.

Do you know of a bigger or closer country that doesn't have a full lock down? If you do, tell us.

Don't try saying you know my motives better than me.

If you want to compare other countries, go ahead.

Thanks for that. Not addressing my question speaks volume enough though. Like most people on here, I'll not be engaging with you anymore. It's giving this thread more life than it now deserves.

I'll just leave Sweden and Denmark on the table for those willing to open their eyes to the fact that maybe "no lockdown" might not be the answer.

 

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[LCHappy]

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5G phone masts destroyed in October last year, probably earlier if I wanted to search. They've been being attacked for many months, long before CoronaVirus.

How do they know the motivation of this lot if they haven't caught anyone?

https://www.5gradar.com/news/suspect-in-custody-following-arson-attack-on-5g-mast

 

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Todays numbers - extrapolated to equal population size;

UK - 3743 new cases - 42433 total cases - 708 deaths

Sweden - 2000 new cases - 41320 total cases - 96 deaths


Feel free to post up any other countries if they're relevant to you.

 

[Richard K]

Todays numbers - extrapolated to equal population size;

UK - 3743 new cases - 42433 total cases - 708 deaths

Sweden - 2000 new cases - 41320 total cases - 96 deaths

Interesting, but my impression is that the reason Sweden is taking a more relaxed approach than we are is largely that they've not reached the level of infections and deaths that we have – not the other way around.

 

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Government classifies High Consequence Infectious DiseaseS or HCID’s. CV is no longer classified as one...

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

???

 

[BREWSTERS]

Interesting, but my impression is that the reason Sweden is taking a more relaxed approach than we are is largely that they've not reached the level of infections and deaths that we have – not the other way around.

Eh? The number of confirmed cases is almost identical per capita....when the UK went into lock down we had very few deaths. We went into lock down (aka economic suicide) and they didn't.

 

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[Richard K]

Eh? The number of confirmed cases is almost identical per capita....when the UK went into lock down we had very few deaths. We went into lock down (aka economic suicide) and they didn't.

The number of confirmed cases in any given country hinges hugely on how many people they test. So it's irrelevant that two countries have a similar number of confirmed cases – especially when the UK (who test so few) is one of them.

I was focusing instead of the number of deaths, which provides a better indication of where Sweden stands by comparison to the UK. Now however you've shifted your argument to refer to the number of UK deaths at the point of lockdown, in which case those are the figures you should have presented rather than today's.

 

[rob]

If you are quoting 'confirmed cases' you are an actual idiot.

1,100 tests a day taking place in Wales, that is not numbers of people either. 3m+ population.

This thread is a disgrace to be honest, and to hear the main protagonist has had conspiracy theories on here about the murder of Jo Cox as well is a failure of the admin / mods. All for debate, but this does the forum, and by extension UK domainers no credit at all.