Corona please read very important

[bonusmedia]

 

[LCHappy]

@bonusmedia Can you let the adults have a discussion without the spam? The last 20 posts have been quite constructive without you

 

[bonusmedia]

If anyone gets an email about CoronaVirus in pork products, you can ignore it, it's just spam

 

[Murray]

Interesting thing to look at is single person households, Sweden looks in great shape to not spread it at home

Also obesity rates, which obviously in general couples with a lot of other health issues

I'd expect Nordic countries and Germany to have some of the lowest death rates

 

[Murray]

Didn't take into account over 65 which Germany has a lot of

 

[bonusmedia]

There are so many factors that it's very difficult to compare like with like, as the professionals keep saying.
Population density is a major one.
In Italy and Spain you have a lot of people living in densely clustered apartment blocks, whereas in the UK we have a much higher proportion of houses.

Anyone using Sweden to argue that lockdown is unnecessary is risking serious harms.
One person deciding to break the rules because they don't believe public health advice can cause mass casualties. It is more important than ever to counter this stuff.

Looking ahead, when we do get a vaccine, there are going to be anti-vax people shouting about it. We'll have to deal with that somehow or other, I would like to see zero tolerance.

 

[diablo]

Didn't take into account over 65 which Germany has a lot of

Germany % of population over 65 21.46%

Sweden % of population over 65 20.1%

(World Bank figures, 2018)

 

[Murray]

ahead, when we do get a vaccine, there are going to be anti-vax people shouting about it. We'll have to deal with that somehow or other, I would like to see zero tolerance.

Zero tolerance on people questioning if it's bad for you or refusing to have it?

 

[bonusmedia]

Zero tolerance for sharing misinformation, pop theories, nonsense from conspiracy sites etc.

Genuine/honest questioning where folks want answers from experts is never a problem.
'Questions' where the goal is to spread doubt to support a conspiracist agenda definitely are.

I wouldn't support literally forcing anyone to have it, but you can achieve nearly the same by making it a condition of accessing public services. E.g. some places with measles outbreaks because of low vaccination rates have made school attendance conditional on being vaccinated.

Of course there will be some (immuno-compromised etc) who won't be able to be vaccinated, which makes it all the more important that those who can, do.

 

[LCHappy]

Zero tolerance for sharing misinformation, pop theories, nonsense from conspiracy sites etc.

Who decides what a conspiracy theory is?

When you say zero tolerance, you mean like executed in the street?

 

[diablo]

On Sunday Sweden reported a total of 401 deaths so far from Covid-19 and acknowledged delays in reporting meant the actual number was likely to be considerably higher.

The figure was up 8% from Saturday and is greater than the totals of its three Nordic neighbours combined.

Sweden’s toll per million inhabitants is 37, compared with 28 in Denmark, 12 in Norway and 4.5 in Finland.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ten-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs

UPDATE UK deaths reported today 621.

Today's number for Sweden adjusted to UK population size 2,632 (UK deaths 4,934)

 

[Edwin]

FYI, the Queen will address the nation tonight at 8pm on BBC1, ITV and Channel 5 (I presume Channel 4 will break into their news coverage to show it too).

 

[BREWSTERS]

On Sunday Sweden reported a total of 401 deaths so far from Covid-19 and acknowledged delays in reporting meant the actual number was likely to be considerably higher.

The figure was up 8% from Saturday and is greater than the totals of its three Nordic neighbours combined.

Sweden’s toll per million inhabitants is 37, compared with 28 in Denmark, 12 in Norway and 4.5 in Finland.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ten-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs

UPDATE UK deaths reported today 621.


Today's number for Sweden adjusted to UK population size 2,632 (UK deaths 4,934)

The UK figure (for deaths today) is up 14%.

UK's toll per million inhabitants is 74 - that's double Sweden's. 2.6 times Denmark's, 6 times Norway's and 17 times Finland's.

Something wrong with numbers like these...looks like someone is falsely boosting numbers.

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In a world first, the Swedish government has announced that it is going to officially distinguish between deaths „by“ and deaths „with“ the coronavirus, which should lead to a reduction in reported deaths. Meanwhile, for some reason, international pressure on Sweden to abandon its liberal strategy is steadily increasing. - https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

 

[newguy]

Interesting thing to look at is single person households, Sweden looks in great shape to not spread it at home

Also obesity rates, which obviously in general couples with a lot of other health issues

I'd expect Nordic countries and Germany to have some of the lowest death rates

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Good point. I can only imagine how much it all ramps up due to one person in a household having it, and it spreading to other family members. It's clearly very contagious and so even with the best will in the world, it's likely with most peoples home setups that other family members will catch it.

 

[Murray]

Do as we say, not as we do

 

[Edwin]

It's only in prototype form, and there's no telling whether it will be taken up by governments or not, but Tesla have created a ventilator using (mainly) Tesla car parts.

That's smart, in the sense that it doesn't take away from the hugely competitive and rapidly diminishing stock of existing medical components. But of course that may make it harder to get regulatory approval for. Still, it's good to see something real(ish) and working in the lab.

 

[Edwin]

The UK is...

7th for total coronavirus deaths
10th for coronavirus deaths per 1,000,000 population

11th for total number of coronavirus tests
50th for number of coronavirus tests per 1,000,000 population

So testing is very clearly lacking given the tiny penetration of tests compared to the overall population of the UK.

We knew that already, of course, but these figures make it much starker.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

[BREWSTERS]

The UK is...

7th for total coronavirus deaths
10th for coronavirus deaths per 1,000,000 population

11th for total number of coronavirus tests
50th for number of coronavirus tests per 1,000,000 population

So testing is very clearly lacking given the tiny penetration of tests compared to the overall population of the UK.

We knew that already, of course, but these figures make it much starker.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

UK is 4th for deaths.

 

[BREWSTERS]

What hope have any of us got in making informed opinions when we get things like this...both these statements are from the same BBC webpage;

"Infections and deaths have fallen in Spain and Italy in recent days - suggesting lockdowns have worked"

&

"Australia's curve appears to be flattening, despite the nation not entering a full lockdown as seen in other nations."

 

[Admin]

@bonusmedia @BREWSTERS - It is you two that will force me to close this thread. Your choice, reign it in or...