UK Leaves the EU - What happens next?

Brassneck · Jun 30, 2016

websaway said:
Can I just ask everyone to join me in thanking the Daily Mail and all of it's courageous columnists who have in the past stood up against the politically correct, obsessed with destroying our democracy and our entitlement to free speech.

It's a vile newspaper which loads of gullible people read unfortunately. My view is that if it is written in the Mail then it probably isn't true so I guess it has some use.

bonusmedia · Jun 30, 2016

The Mail causes cancer. Or cures cancer, depending on what day it is

http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.com/

martin-s · Jun 30, 2016

The world keeps spinning, that's life.

Edwin · Jun 30, 2016

armistice said:
Boris just ruled himself out

I'm really torn about this.

On the one hand I'm super-duper pleased that bumbling Boris couldn't do any more damage. May he slink off to the back benches and never be heard of again.

On the other hand (and this is an opinion widely shared by many elements in the media, and very clearly on social media) he's going to get away scot-free with what I believe is the biggest act of harm committed against this country since the end of the second world war. Yes really. No exaggeration, no hyperbole intended. (I may turn out to be wrong on that, but if I am, I will at that time allow a rational assessment of the situation to over-ride my earlier feelings of concern and doubt. Right now, I feel "certain".)

Boris Johnson now has the "perfect cover" when things go badly in the months, years and decades ahead of saying "Well, I got the mandate of the people but it's those bozos over THERE who are actually messing it up in practice."

BREWSTERS · Jun 30, 2016

VSC said:
Yes, it has always been there, but it has not be accounted for in the finite resources list.
But in this case, demand is increasing for helium so my point is that with increased demand the pricing may still go up.

Demand is not always defined by the product itself, but in the uses for that product which can increase quite separately from the actual product itself ...

Silicon for example was in demand to make semi-conductors, then computers and the solar industry saw demand for it increase yet pricing has just risen each time there was more demand. Though the pricing is down to the need for manufacturers rather than the raw ingredient itself ...

What you are saying (if I understand you correctly), is that nothing new that is discovered/created can only create demand by equally reducing the demand of something else, so they balance each other out?

The resources, in this case helium, is inextricably linked to the money supply - when the new gas source is discovered, it makes no difference until it starts to be sold, then it affects the money supply. Keeping the gas and not selling it would alter nothing.

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I'm getting a long way away from where this started out, which was how money is created. Which is through debt. Our government does not control the money supply...has no control over the minting of our currency.

Money is not just introduced to the economy...it's lent to it. It's a system set up to fail. Our government borrows money to pay off interest. Now, if you or I were doing that, how would it finish up? You would lose everything you've got. So tell me, why do you never hear politicians mention any of this? And why do ex PMs usually go straight into multi-million pound contracts 'advising' banks and finance companies.?

BREWSTERS · Jun 30, 2016

PR Firm aware of Labour mass resignations six months ago.

VSC · Jun 30, 2016

Momentum, Corbyn's activist support group threatening violence on MPs who do not support him ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...my-Corbyn-directly-blame-stirring-hatred.html

Edwin · Jun 30, 2016

How is it that the Tory party, pretty much at its most dysfunctional point ever, is being out dysfunctionalised by Labour?

Can anyone - and I mean anyone - believe what a smoking train wreck the whole of government and the political system is less than a week after the sun rose on Brexit Britain?

cannybagotudor · Jun 30, 2016

Gove was likely pushed by osbourne, thereby guaranteeing he keeps a place in government, if he wins. May is an unknown, it seems all candidates agree, brexit will be happening and not on the EU's terms. Johnson was toxic to leave as soon as he said free movement would remain, there will be alot going on behind the scenes, I think May appears to the best of the bunch, Gove seems to sneaky, no doubt, whether he denies it or not, osbourne had a say in his decision.

Gove said he wouldn't be in a rush to trigger article 50, I don't trust he will, he'll try and find a back door somehow. not to be trusted I don't think.

Toonz · Jun 30, 2016

Edwin said:
How is it that the Tory party, pretty much at its most dysfunctional point ever, is being out dysfunctionalised by Labour?

Can anyone - and I mean anyone - believe what a smoking train wreck the whole of government and the political system is less than a week after the sun rose on Brexit Britain?

I am still struggling to take it all in to be honest. The sheer pace has been breathtaking and it shows no sign of ending. I remember how political anoraks salivated over the so-called 5 days in May back in 2010, but this makes the Hung Parliament period look laughably mundane by comparison. Seasoned veterans of political journalism are saying they've never known a time like this.

It's tempting to want to apportion blame to individuals, but where do you start? Farage? Cameron? Boris? Corbyn? Margaret Beckett? Ed Miliband? All those decisions and twists of fate...

websaway · Jun 30, 2016

What happened to the love in after Jo Cox sad demise. This is what corbyn told the commons. He called her death "an attack on democracy and our whole country has been shocked and saddened by it... and was united in grief". He appealed for "a kinder and gentler politics", saying politicians had a responsibility "not to whip up hatred or sow division". In her honour, he said "we can come together to change our politics to tolerate a little more and condemn a little less".

Edwin · Jun 30, 2016

Brexit happened. That's so huge it trumps everything else.

Edwin · Jun 30, 2016

Why Remainers are finding it hard to deal with the EU referendum result
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ing-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result

I was nodding along all the way through.

AlistairM · Jun 30, 2016

BREWSTERS · Jun 30, 2016

Remainers - enough with the whining....you are in the minority, face it.

Some, probably most of us leavers, have had to live under the EU dictatorship for decades wanting change. And we want it because it's better for us all.

Leave won...against all odds, we won. I had probably 25-30 emails from Labour in the 2 weeks leading upto the vote, ASSUMING I wanted to remain (this after emailing them with an unrelated question approx 7 months ago, they'd recycled my email address). I had at least 5 remain leaflets through my door; none for leave.
Both major parties shoving remain down our throats - each camp was only supposed to spend a maximum of £16m on their campaigns...I imagine remain spent several times what leave did if visibility is a measure.
The leave campaign was half-arsed at best, fractured and set up to fail at worst (obvious the way some leave campaigners have acted since....disgusting)

So against all odds, the majority of voters want to leave. The whining of some remainers is becoming insulting, as if us leavers are cheating you.
I suppose because you favour dictatorships it must rile you that you've had to even go through this process?

Time for you to deal with it.

atlas · Jun 30, 2016

Edwin said:
Why Remainers are finding it hard to deal with the EU referendum result
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ing-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result

I was nodding along all the way through.

Seriously? Do you think articles like "Why leavers are finding it hard to deal with the EU referendum result" would have appeared in mainstream media if remainers had won? Would you or most others have seriously cared how leavers felt if they lost the referendum?

Edwin · Jul 1, 2016

The two possible outcomes were never in any way even remotely "symmetrical" in their consequences.

We have chaos in government, in opposition, in the economy and in Europe because the result was Leave. None of those things would have happened if we had voted Remain instead. There may be new opportunities too, but those are months or much more likely years away. But the chaos is here NOW, and it's here to stay.

Consequently, I would have expected far less coverage if we'd voted Remain. Why? Because the Government would have carried on the business of government, and the Opposition the business of opposing them. Companies wouldn't now be desperately scrabbling for contingency plans, they'd be carrying on providing the goods or services just like they always had. Scientists wouldn't be tearing their hair out wondering where the funding and cooperation opportunities will come from in future. And so on, and so on. There is virtually no aspect of professional life that Leave doesn't disrupt, often to a tremendous degree.

I can understand and appreciate that a Remain result would have been devastating for Leavers (in the sense they would have felt totally gutted and distraught about it, probably for a long time, and it would have exacerbated the sense of disconnect between politics and the needs of "real people") but it would not have had even a tiny fraction of the wider disruptive effect that the Leave result has had and will continue to have...

atlas · Jul 1, 2016

Edwin said:
The two possible outcomes were never in any way even remotely "symmetrical" in their consequences.

We have chaos in government, in opposition, in the economy and in Europe because the result was Leave. None of those things would have happened if we had voted Remain instead. There may be new opportunities too, but those are months or much more likely years away. But the chaos is here NOW, and it's here to stay.

Consequently, I would have expected far less coverage if we'd voted Remain. Why? Because the Government would have carried on the business of government, and the Opposition the business of opposing them. Companies wouldn't now be desperately scrabbling for contingency plans, they'd be carrying on providing the goods or services just like they always had. Scientists wouldn't be tearing their hair out wondering where the funding and cooperation opportunities will come from in future. And so on, and so on. There is virtually no aspect of professional life that Leave doesn't disrupt, often to a tremendous degree.

I can understand and appreciate that a Remain result would have been devastating for Leavers (in the sense they would have felt totally gutted and distraught about it, probably for a long time, and it would have exacerbated the sense of disconnect between politics and the needs of "real people") but it would not have had even a tiny fraction of the wider disruptive effect that the Leave result has had and will continue to have...

When a person goes on a diet, there's a large disruption of his eating patterns, social habits, grocery shopping, etc. None of those things would have happened if the person chose to continue with their current eating habits (although they likely would have died younger of some chronic illness).

Disruption and chaos is not a bad thing in and of itself, and, for instance with going on a diet, can lead to positive results. How you react to that disruption is up to you to choose - you can complain bitterly about being hungry, or you can look forward to a healthier, more energetic future. The fact that things are not carrying on as they were before does not mean that things are bad in any way. The fact that people have to think about things rather than mindlessly doing what they were doing before is likely very positive.

VSC · Jul 1, 2016

To be honest, I hate that newspapers rather than report the news feel the need to back this party / side / etc ...
But hey, it is what it is.
Daily Mail comes out to support Theresa May for Con leader
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...MAIL-COMMENT-party-flames-Theresa-leader.html

Very odd considering that she was a "remain" supporter ...

Even Telegraph readers overwhelming support her!

Looks like the right wing press is realising we need unity now.

Edwin · Jul 1, 2016

The Sun (hard to believe I'm typing this) had a fascinating report about the background to Boris Johnson abandoning his ambition to be PM. Sounds like not one but dozens of balls dropped on his side - the country clearly dodged a very large bullet when he recused himself from the leadership race.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13710...tters-a-week-after-he-thought-hed-be-next-pm/