drops after .uk launch

[Lovekraft]

A quick question as i have had a fairly lengthy break from the domain world so apologies if it's been asked multiple times. It may even be covered in Edwins thread from back then but i need clarity:

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-domain-name-consultations/121251-how-understand-uk-release-process.html

I was wondering if drop lists and catching will still work the same after .uk launch. i.e if a .co.uk domain that was registered before the announcement date (in Octoober '13?) drops after .uk is already up and running, if that domain is then re-registered will the person who catches / registers it have automatic rights to .uk?

I'm aware that domains currently dropping will, it's those that drop after the shorter TLD launch that i'm needing clarity on.

 

[diablo]

"After the launch date, if the existing domain name (www.example.co.uk) is cancelled and deleted from the register, any right to the new .uk equivalent domain is lost and cannot be recovered. That includes .co.uk domains with rights."

http://www.dotuklaunch.co.uk/faq/how-will-it-work

 

[DaveP]

Will the .uk be available as soon as the .co.uk drops or shortly after? In that case......

 

[Lovekraft]

Thanks, i didn't realise that catching as we know it is going to change so much, now onto what DaveP asks..

 

[Lovekraft]

If it loses it's rights automatically, i wonder if the catchers will likely be able to catch the .uk equivalent if that becomes available immediately. Do we know how soon it will become available yet?

We could potentially end up with a situation where someone catches the .co.uk and another person the .uk?

 

[monaghan]

We could potentially end up with a situation where someone catches the .co.uk and another person the .uk?

That's the way I read it, .uk is standalone domain and can be registered independently from the .co.uk so expect to see "interesting" results from catchers. Perhaps there will be a new secondary market to combine these pairs for onward sale?

 

[Murray]

Seems bad for everyone atm splitting up the co.uk & .uk

Can we not all just make a gentlemanly agreement that .uk will not be chased and whoever gets the .co.uk can have the .uk?

I know that would never happen but it's what would be best for the time being.

 

[Aaron Clifford]

I spoke to Nominet about this last week, they confirmed that if a .co.uk domain drops after June 10th the right to the .uk is lost and both will be available as seperate entities from the drop, obviously will have to see if they drop at the same time or not once we get past that date.

 

[Aaron Clifford]

Sorry, was refering to names that drop where the .uk hasn't been registered, should of clarified.

 

[monaghan]

Can we not all just make a gentlemanly agreement that .uk will not be chased and whoever gets the .co.uk can have the .uk?

Love it, there'll be all those on AD saying "After you Sir" and all those not here catching the lot while we discuss who's next to catch

 

[Murray]

Love it, there'll be all those on AD saying "After you Sir" and all those not here catching the lot while we discuss who's next to catch

They will get the domains, but we shall have the moral victory

 

[atlas]

we shall have the moral victory

Can't pay the bills with that.

 

[Murray]

Again though

Wouldn't it be better for both buyer and seller if the co.uk & .uk (for the time being) stayed together?

 

[Murray]

But say now example.co.uk drops after the 10th and I get it, but someone else gets the .uk

The buyer might only buy my domain if they can get the .uk too, we might have agreed a price we both feel is fair of x,xxx, but the .uk registrant might want xx,xxx which would scupper any sale.

The ability to close a deal will be taken out of the individual sellers hands.

It's also a crap problem for the buyer having to deal with two sellers.

Just a real headache.

It may be that there becomes a clear winner between co.uk/uk down the road and it wont matter so much if they're split, but for the time being it's bad for everyone.

So in an ideal world it would be nice if every dropcatcher could agree to only go for the co.uk , but we don't live in an ideal world do we

 

[ian]

This is one of the big reasons why I'm unlikely to continue my very short interest in domains. I have catches booked up until the 10th, after which point I'll have to see how the .uk's drop. I'm still monitoring a monster of a domain that I know will drop in a few months time, but without the .uk, I suspect its value will be damaged considerably, though I intend on developing it.

 

[Murray]

What we won't know is how "out of sync" the Nominet database that stores the deletion of the *.uk is with the presumed other Nominet database that "releases the lock" on the never-been-registered-before matching .uk, on a day to day basis, until after 10th June 2014.

Do you think there will be a chance that the co.uk catcher can register the .uk before things are updated and it being made available for anyone?

That would be excellent.

 

[Murray]

Didn't see you shouting about it at any of the meetings that went on. Gonna come to the AGM and say your piece this Wednesday...? )

I appreciate you look up to me, but I don't have as much clout with nominet as you would imagine

 

[DaveP]

Have to work but I hope you all enjoy it.

 

[DaveP]

What's the matter Dave? Cannot call in sick? I'll be driving past so could offer a FREE lift! Murrytheworry might decide to attend and speak his mind if you volunteer to look after him!


(from iPhone)

Nope important meeting tomorrow I'm afraid. Shame really but I'm sure I'll catch up with you soon. :grin::grin:

 

[DaveP]

I mean Wednesday, not tomorrow.